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[2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Draw

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Who would you rather draw from pot 2?

Poll ended at Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:00 pm

Real Madrid
4
57%
Atletico Madrid
0
No votes
Napoli
1
14%
Shakhtar
1
14%
Tottenham
1
14%
Ajax (if they qualify tonight)
0
No votes
Benfica
0
No votes
Lyon (if Ajax fail to qualify)
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 7

[2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage Draw

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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:00 pm

I hope we get Real Madrid so we definitely don't get to play them in the Round of 16.

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Bayern, Real Madrid, Inter Milan (no better time to get revenge, and if we can't beat them then it's better if we drop to EL) and Genk (someone close and very beatable)
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby JJJ » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:11 pm

MUTU wrote:Inter Milan (no better time to get revenge, and if we can't beat them then it's better if we drop to EL)

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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby r10 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:53 pm

The TV pairing decision, taken arbitrarily by UEFA, puts teams at an advantage/disadvantage. Eg 1 of the 2 Madrid clubs (probably Real) is to be paired with Barcelona
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 28, 2019 5:59 pm

r10 wrote:
The TV pairing decision, taken arbitrarily by UEFA, puts teams at an advantage/disadvantage. Eg 1 of the 2 Madrid clubs (probably Real) is to be paired with Barcelona
I do not understand this sentence :roll:.

UEFA decide the TV pairings, and there's no defined strategy that's used to arrive to the TV pairings. In fact, they haven't even been made official yet. These probabilities I came out with are proof that the TV pairings affect the probabilities. Barcelona will be paired up with one of the two Madrid clubs in pot 2 (Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid). The one paired with Barcelona has, for mathematical reasons which are best left unexplained so as not to make this a big and super-boring essay, a big advantage because their most probable opponent is Zenit, an underdog, while for the other Madrid club, it will be Manchester City and Liverpool, two CL favourites. Of course, the one paired with Barcelona will most likely be Real Madrid, which is unfair on Atletico Madrid. I mean OK, Real Madrid could still draw Liverpool and Atletico could still draw Zenit, but compare the first two columns in the table and you'll see that the probabilities look 'nicer' for Real Madrid than they do for Atletico Madrid.

It's also fishy that UEFA get to decide exactly who is paired with who and who is not, without a defined system for doing so, and only made public just before the draw.
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 6:31 pm

MUTU wrote:I hope we get Real Madrid so we definitely don't get to play them in the Round of 16.

My dream group:

Bayern, Real Madrid, Inter Milan (no better time to get revenge, and if we can't beat them then it's better if we drop to EL) and Genk (someone close and very beatable)
Inter are not going to be easy ...
They have a solid team and a general as a coach...
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:11 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:I hope we get Real Madrid so we definitely don't get to play them in the Round of 16.

My dream group:

Bayern, Real Madrid, Inter Milan (no better time to get revenge, and if we can't beat them then it's better if we drop to EL) and Genk (someone close and very beatable)
Inter are not going to be easy ...
They have a solid team and a general as a coach...

I agree, but I also say: if we're not good enough to finish above Inter in the CL group, then we'd be very unlikely to win it, so perhaps it'd be wise to try our chances in the Europa League instead. I don't know about you, but I'd rather win the Europa League than get eliminated in the round of 16 of the Champions League.
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:49 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
MUTU wrote:I hope we get Real Madrid so we definitely don't get to play them in the Round of 16.

My dream group:

Bayern, Real Madrid, Inter Milan (no better time to get revenge, and if we can't beat them then it's better if we drop to EL) and Genk (someone close and very beatable)
Inter are not going to be easy ...
They have a solid team and a general as a coach...

I agree, but I also say: if we're not good enough to finish above Inter in the CL group, then we'd be very unlikely to win it, so perhaps it'd be wise to try our chances in the Europa League instead. I don't know about you, but I'd rather win the Europa League than get eliminated in the round of 16 of the Champions League.
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby #12 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:55 pm

We ARE unlikely to win it either way... It’s not impossible, but it’s a real stretch...
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby r10 » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:21 pm

MUTU wrote:UEFA decide the TV pairings, and there's no defined strategy that's used to arrive to the TV pairings.[...]These probabilities I came out with are proof that the TV pairings affect the probabilities. Barcelona will be paired up with one of the two Madrid clubs in pot 2. The one paired with Barcelona has, for mathematical reasons which are best left unexplained so as not to make this a big and super-boring essay, a big advantage because their most probable opponent is Zenit, an underdog, while for the other Madrid club, it will be Manchester City and Liverpool, two CL favourites. Of course, the one paired with Barcelona will most likely be Real Madrid, which is unfair on Atletico Madrid. I mean OK, Real Madrid could still draw Liverpool and Atletico could still draw Zenit, but compare the first two columns in the table and you'll [...]It's also fishy that UEFA get to decide exactly who is paired with who and who is not, without a defined system for doing so, and only made public just before the draw.
What do you mean as "TV pairings"?
If you read the rules and the attached table, there is 0% chance for Barcelona to draw another Spanish club.
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 28, 2019 8:56 pm

TV pairings is different. As you are definitely aware, Champions League group stage matches are played on two days, Tuesdays and Wednesdays. Groups A to D play on one day, and groups E to H play on the other day. UEFA then realised they could make more money. So they made a system whereby if a particular team (say Bayern) is chosen in groups A to D, then another team (Dortmund in this case) can only end up in E to H, so that they play on separate days.
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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

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Re: [2019-08-29] 2019-20 UEFA Champions League Group Stage D

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 28, 2019 10:02 pm

Oh there's more.
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