shpati_L1 wrote:Borusse wrote:I hate handball rules in football to be honest, I think they should do something about it, I have no idea what though.
But too often I see penalties given for handballs that just weren't intentional, as a defender you can't constantly be thinking what to do with your hands and hide them, sometimes you will get hit in the hand and you're left at the mercy of the ref, he needs to decide what were your intentions and often just makes a call which another ref wouldn't make. It sucks, the rules should be more clear than that.
This is very true.
sherpthederp wrote:shpati_L1 wrote:Borusse wrote:I hate handball rules in football to be honest, I think they should do something about it, I have no idea what though.
But too often I see penalties given for handballs that just weren't intentional, as a defender you can't constantly be thinking what to do with your hands and hide them, sometimes you will get hit in the hand and you're left at the mercy of the ref, he needs to decide what were your intentions and often just makes a call which another ref wouldn't make. It sucks, the rules should be more clear than that.
This is very true.
It’s a tough situation to deal with and it seems like the only way to make it more objective is to make any contact with the arm a penalty regardless of awareness or intent. It would be very harsh on defenders, but I can’t think of any other way to make it clear.
Fénix wrote:Borusse wrote:I hate handball rules in football to be honest, I think they should do something about it, I have no idea what though.
But too often I see penalties given for handballs that just weren't intentional, as a defender you can't constantly be thinking what to do with your hands and hide them, sometimes you will get hit in the hand and you're left at the mercy of the ref, he needs to decide what were your intentions and often just makes a call which another ref wouldn't make. It sucks, the rules should be more clear than that.
No, they can't be better and that's just like it is. It's a part of football and it has always been. New rules about handball are going to be even worse than this now regardless of one's intention to play or not.
I still have a picture in my head from the 2nd leg of Round of 16 from 2005/2006 at Allianz Arena when Bayern's Valerien Ismaël was holding his whole arm on the chest and stomach yet referee didn't even think for a second to point on the white spot and award penalty for AC Milan.
Back then almost every handball in the 16m box was a clear penalty, but in the last 8 years a lot of things have changed and I think there's no more to change.
It has always been about how lucky you are (not) to play or get hit with the ball in your hand and arm.
sherpthederp wrote:shpati_L1 wrote:Borusse wrote:I hate handball rules in football to be honest, I think they should do something about it, I have no idea what though.
But too often I see penalties given for handballs that just weren't intentional, as a defender you can't constantly be thinking what to do with your hands and hide them, sometimes you will get hit in the hand and you're left at the mercy of the ref, he needs to decide what were your intentions and often just makes a call which another ref wouldn't make. It sucks, the rules should be more clear than that.
This is very true.
It’s a tough situation to deal with and it seems like the only way to make it more objective is to make any contact with the arm a penalty regardless of awareness or intent. It would be very harsh on defenders, but I can’t think of any other way to make it clear and I don’t know if that’s any better than the uncertainty we have now
#12 wrote:sherpthederp wrote:shpati_L1 wrote:It’s a tough situation to deal with and it seems like the only way to make it more objective is to make any contact with the arm a penalty regardless of awareness or intent. It would be very harsh on defenders, but I can’t think of any other way to make it clear.
Deliberate handballs only... Call on VAR... Gets you a real penalty 95% of times, maybe you miss one or two... Cleverness...
Bentonomo wrote:definitely football seems to be more fair with the Var.
Nobody, nobody on the pitch was claiming that as handball. Nobody. VAR ref slows it right down sees a minor movement of the arm to the ball and then asks the ref to look at it. We saw in the World Cup that the moment the ref is asked to look at it again he’s got it in his head that he’s made a mistake (otherwise they wouldn’t be asking him to take another look) he sees the slowed down version as well, and gives it.
At no point did they run that at anything close to full speed to see whether he reacted by moving his arm. It supposed to be clear and obvious and there was enough doubt there as to whether that was anyway intentional, or even whether he “made himself bigger”. It was marginal. Had the ref on the field given it then it’s a different story, but he’s overturned his original decision of a corner based on a slo-mo replay. I don’t think that’s right.
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