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PunkCapitalist wrote:

FCBayernMunchen wrote:

PunkCapitalist wrote:Box-to-box midfielders usually contribute on both boxes...

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He did much better in the 25 minutes he got in the second half. It seemed to me that he was playing further up then, like a CAM almost. Not sure if he was meant to be playing there all along but it didn’t look like it in the first half.

Hahaha my point is that Goretzka never ever contributes anything away from the opposition's box.

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I know. Was adding on to your comment by noting he seemed to have taken on a more offensive role tactically, and did better that way.

We got the three points and that is the important thing. The rust was obvious. I have not been a fan of Kimmich in midfield but I think he is getting better and better, still not totally convinced though.

We kept a clean sheet and Boateng was decent but I hope to see Lucas Hernandez beside Alaba.

Alexander wrote:We got the three points and that is the important thing. The rust was obvious. I have not been a fan of Kimmich in midfield but I think he is getting better and better, still not totally convinced though.

He did his job well yesterday. He’s not as noticeable as he used to be in RB but he did his job. I think he will end up becoming one of those great midfielders who are crucial to the team but are often not appreciated enough, like Busquets.

FCBayernMunchen wrote:

Alexander wrote:We got the three points and that is the important thing. The rust was obvious. I have not been a fan of Kimmich in midfield but I think he is getting better and better, still not totally convinced though.

He did his job well yesterday. He’s not as noticeable as he used to be in RB but he did his job. I think he will end up becoming one of those great midfielders who are crucial to the team but are often not appreciated enough, like Busquets.

I hope you are right. Still I fear it won’t be enough against the very best.

I’m not convinced yet either and I’ve often criticised the decision to play him there, but he seems to be growing into the role under Flick’s guidance and is definitely the best partner to Thiago we’ve had this season.

The biggest Kimmich's problem is that he lost 4 years being played out of his position(14/15, 17/18, 18/19). Only under Ancelotti he was a regular midfielder and how could not his development suffer after such a long time.

Schweinsteiger had suffered for 7 years before finally someone put him in central midfield as a pro.

Fénix wrote:The biggest Kimmich's problem is that he lost 4 years being played out of his position(14/15, 17/18, 18/19). Only under Ancelotti he was a regular midfielder and how could not his development suffer after such a long time.

Schweinsteiger had suffered for 7 years before finally someone put him in central midfield as a pro.

I wouldn’t necessarily agree... the skills he developed as a defender are bound to help him.

You are missing the point here from Kimmich's point of view; he played out of his position for 4 years under Guardiola, Heynckes and Kovač and has always wanted to play there where he plays this season and in 2016/2017.
That's why he has started to play last and this season once again in midfield under Kovač, now Flick and this remains permanent until Bayern doesn't lose 6-7 players due to injury and has to cover holes in the last line until they recover.
The same thing would be right now if he were played as a striker or a winger, he would have said the same thing about learning and helping him as a player.
Lewandowski said the same for Jürgen Klopp when he was used behind Barrios as no. 10 in some matches, didn't quite like that idea and decision, but the Pole actually learned a lot from that position to be what he is - a striker, not AM.

PunkCapitalist wrote:

ramsej84 wrote:Davies is not his self....
I think it is cause of too much Insta

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Old people have always complained about these things...

Fénix wrote:You are missing the point here from Kimmich's point of view; he played out of his position for 4 years under Guardiola, Heynckes and Kovač and has always wanted to play there where he plays this season and in 2016/2017.
That's why he has started to play last and this season once again in midfield under Kovač, now Flick and this remains permanent until Bayern doesn't lose 6-7 players due to injury and has to cover holes in the last line until they recover.
The same thing would be right now if he were played as a striker or a winger, he would have said the same thing about learning and helping him as a player.
Lewandowski said the same for Jürgen Klopp when he was used behind Barrios as no. 10 in some matches, didn't quite like that idea and decision, but the Pole actually learned a lot from that position to be what he is - a striker, not AM.

For Kimmich, I don't think he lacks of vision or something like that for playing midfield. He is clever and smart enough to play there, his passing is dope as well.
The only thing he lacks for the defensive midfield is muscle, he is a bit weak compare to another midfield within the team, not name any top tier around the world.
He is aggressive enough to fight or throwing a dirty punch if needed but he needs more muscle and power for it.
I remember the times he tried to stop Poulsen by tackling and pulling shirt but RB player just keep running. Kimmich was lying there watching opponent face to face with CBs, that was so pathetic.

longeleven wrote:

Fénix wrote:You are missing the point here from Kimmich's point of view; he played out of his position for 4 years under Guardiola, Heynckes and Kovač and has always wanted to play there where he plays this season and in 2016/2017.
That's why he has started to play last and this season once again in midfield under Kovač, now Flick and this remains permanent until Bayern doesn't lose 6-7 players due to injury and has to cover holes in the last line until they recover.
The same thing would be right now if he were played as a striker or a winger, he would have said the same thing about learning and helping him as a player.
Lewandowski said the same for Jürgen Klopp when he was used behind Barrios as no. 10 in some matches, didn't quite like that idea and decision, but the Pole actually learned a lot from that position to be what he is - a striker, not AM.

For Kimmich, I don't think he lacks of vision or something like that for playing midfield. He is clever and smart enough to play there, his passing is dope as well.
The only thing he lacks for the defensive midfield is muscle, he is a bit weak compare to another midfield within the team, not name any top tier around the world.
He is aggressive enough to fight or throwing a dirty punch if needed but he needs more muscle and power for it.
I remember the times he tried to stop Poulsen by tackling and pulling shirt but RB player just keep running. Kimmich was lying there watching opponent face to face with CBs, that was so pathetic.

I was about to question his defensive mindset, especially talking about tackling. For a defensive midfielder, he's putting just 1,6 tackles per game, which is one of his biggest weaknesses - compare this to the:
3,3 tackles per game for Casemiro,
2,1 for Fabinho,
2,4 for Jorginho,
2,5 for Thomas,
3 for Declan Rice,
2,5 for Brozovic and
4 per game for Camavinga.

Flick is playing with the defenders being in 45,4 meters (he's 1'st in that category from all of the coaches in the top 5 leagues) away from the goalkeeper, so it's super important to have a DM who's stopping the attacks via fouls or tackles, and he's not doing exactly a good job here. I don't want to put the interceptions numbers, because it's too much work for me at the moment, but I assure you that they are similar to these numbers.

The other thing that he's not good is the fast decision making - he has to stop the ball, look at his teammates, and then he's looking to pass the ball, which at all takes around 3 or 4 seconds. Now, I believe you remember Xabi Alonso and despite being in the last 2 years of his career, how great was his passing since day 1 (his problem was his lack of speed back then, which is pretty normal for a 33-year-old player) - he's just got the feeling about his teammates, and where are they on the pitch in every second of the game. As a person who played mainly as a DM/CDM back in the days, I can guarantee you that this is something that cannot be learned - you either got it or not. The problem is that often under pressure, he's making mistakes which are leading to dangerous situations in front of our goalie, and this is the last thing that you want from the player who is (or should be) your main motor of the midfield.

He's good at everything else, but he should work a lot if he wants to be one of the best in the world.

PunkCapitalist wrote:Ramsej es not even old though

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