Why are you comparing him with Alaba...MUTU wrote:#12 wrote:WhoScored is not the be all and end all...!MUTU wrote:The hate on Davies is completely illogical to me. Let's understand the claims I've seen:
"He was the worst player on the pitch in the CL final." No, he wasn't. As per WhoScored, Bayern averaged 6.71 and PSG averaged 6.41. Davies got a 6.5. 5 players played in defence that day, and only Kimmich had a higher rating than Davies. Alaba got 6.3.
"He's been crap since proving that he was a one-season wonder." What the actual fuck?!?!
Let's see all matches he played for more than 7 minutes this season:
- Hoffenheim 4-1 Bayern. Bayern players averaged 6.26. Davies got 6.8 and was the second best Bayern player on the pitch. Alaba got 6.1.
- Bayern 4-3 Hertha. Bayern players averaged 6.87, Davies played as a winger and got 7.4 and was the 3rd best Bayern player on the pitch. Alaba got 6.0.
- Bayern 2-0 Lokomotiv Moscow. Bayern players averaged 7.19, Davies got 8.6 and was the 2nd best player on the pitch. Alaba didn't play, so Davies excelled having a decent player next to him.
- Union Berlin 1-1 Bayern. Bayern averaged 6.65, and Davies got a 6.3. Still the 2nd best defender on the night. Alaba got 6.2
- Bayer Leverkusen 1-2 Bayern. Bayern average was 6.76, Davies got a 6.9. No other defender got a higher rating. Alaba didn't play.
- Bayern 5-2 Mainz. Bayern average was 7.13. Davies got a 7.7. Alaba next to him got a 6.2.
- Gladbach 3-2 Bayern. Bayern average was 6.56, Davies got a 5.8 and Alaba a 6.4.
So Davies has ONE MATCH since last year where he was inferior to Alaba, and suddenly he's a one-season wonder, finished, crap whatever?!
Yesterday was probably the first time that Davies truly disappointed.
You guys are blinded. When he has an off-game, even his off-game is still better than most other players on the pitch. You can't expect him to score ratings of 8.0 every match. No one does. The real reason he's not at the same level as last season (he's still at a good level) is that he's having to play with a crappy Alaba next to him.
And Alaba played in Leverkusen, no matter where he touched you
Apologies. He had a 6.3, amongst the very worst. In a nutshell, the only time Alaba didn't play in the same match as Davies, Davies got an 8.6. Poor kid can't run at his usual speed having to carry a black Beckenbauer and his sacks of money on his back.
Debating with Ramsej is fruitless. He is literally just trying to lighten the burden on his favorites.MUTU wrote:ramsej84 wrote:Or because he has no Perisic a hard worker in front of himMUTU wrote:The hate on Davies is completely illogical to me. Let's understand the claims I've seen:
"He was the worst player on the pitch in the CL final." No, he wasn't. As per WhoScored, Bayern averaged 6.71 and PSG averaged 6.41. Davies got a 6.5. 5 players played in defence that day, and only Kimmich had a higher rating than Davies. Alaba got 6.3.
"He's been crap since proving that he was a one-season wonder." What the actual fuck?!?!
Let's see all matches he played for more than 7 minutes this season:
- Hoffenheim 4-1 Bayern. Bayern players averaged 6.26. Davies got 6.8 and was the second best Bayern player on the pitch. Alaba got 6.1.
- Bayern 4-3 Hertha. Bayern players averaged 6.87, Davies played as a winger and got 7.4 and was the 3rd best Bayern player on the pitch. Alaba got 6.0.
- Bayern 2-0 Lokomotiv Moscow. Bayern players averaged 7.19, Davies got 8.6 and was the 2nd best player on the pitch. Alaba didn't play, so Davies excelled having a decent player next to him.
- Union Berlin 1-1 Bayern. Bayern averaged 6.65, and Davies got a 6.3. Still the 2nd best defender on the night. Alaba got 6.2
- Bayer Leverkusen 1-2 Bayern. Bayern average was 6.76, Davies got a 6.9. No other defender got a higher rating. Alaba didn't play.
- Bayern 5-2 Mainz. Bayern average was 7.13. Davies got a 7.7. Alaba next to him got a 6.2.
- Gladbach 3-2 Bayern. Bayern average was 6.56, Davies got a 5.8 and Alaba a 6.4.
So Davies has ONE MATCH since last year where he was inferior to Alaba, and suddenly he's a one-season wonder, finished, crap whatever?!
Yesterday was probably the first time that Davies truly disappointed.
You guys are blinded. When he has an off-game, even his off-game is still better than most other players on the pitch. You can't expect him to score ratings of 8.0 every match. No one does. The real reason he's not at the same level as last season (he's still at a good level) is that he's having to play with a crappy Alaba next to him.
Ridiculous on too many aspects. How do you make the correlation and extract that last season Davies played better with Perisic than without?
ramsej84 wrote:Why are you comparing him with Alaba...
Why not comparing him with Davies of last season?
Achilles wrote:The captains should step up, how is possible Neuer not addressing these things with that four guys pretending to be "Defenders" but expose him and the team like that...
Basketball players play matches every other day...Fénix wrote:I agree partly with you MUTU, but then again our team isn't physically and mentally fit to play this kind of football you mentioned.
That's why Heynckes' Treble is still bigger than Flick's despite an incredible winning streak and all wins in the last season in the CL.
Defending is also part of football.
Nevertheless, when you are on top, it's a work of art to stay there for 2-3 more years.
And for our dear and beloved Hans-Dieter Flick it's a double task since it's his second professional season in football as a head coach therefore he needs to prove and confirm in the next 6-7 years or even 12-13 as a top coach.
Not just that it remains as a great moment full of great circumstances that favored us and him.
Fénix wrote:I agree partly with you MUTU, but then again our team isn't physically and mentally fit to play this kind of football you mentioned.
MUTU wrote:Fénix wrote:I agree partly with you MUTU, but then again our team isn't physically and mentally fit to play this kind of football you mentioned.
I don't agree about the physically part, sitting back allows teams to relax, defenders passing the ball between each other while walking around, to try and 'pull' the opponents to attack. I think we'd run less and also have more breathers if we sat back. Attacking with those numbers requires the whole team to be fully focused non-stop and ready to run all the time.
We always defend... We have an offensive approach, but even at 0-0 and 1-0 we did MUCH better against PSG, we had numerous shitty games... And still won, even with clean sheets... (Union Berlin comes to mind), we managed to do it at Dortmund and against Leipzig, while definitely not shutting them out but at least showing up...Achilles wrote:MUTU made a valid point. I don't remember Bayern since 2013 knowing how to defend, not deep, just defend the lead for a quarter.
What we did yesterday considering our crap defense in the last months can be called tactical suicide from Flick's side.
Why the hell place that high line and against a very good team in counter-attacks and compeletely inhospitable opponent like Gladbach who always defeat us at least once a year giving them that extra space where you could locked down a 2-0 first quarter and reassess in the half-time?
Something is fishy here and it's not only tactical. Many many fixations from Flick. Must be something like a political game with the board. He is too rational as a person and coach to make such blatantly mistakes over and over. It's just too much.
Where do you get that he is too rational for this???Achilles wrote:MUTU made a valid point. I don't remember Bayern since 2013 knowing how to defend, not deep, just defend the lead for a quarter.
What we did yesterday considering our crap defense in the last months can be called tactical suicide from Flick's side.
Why the hell place that high line and against a very good team in counter-attacks and compeletely inhospitable opponent like Gladbach who always defeat us at least once a year giving them that extra space where you could locked down a 2-0 first quarter and reassess in the half-time?
Something is fishy here and it's not only tactical. Many many fixations from Flick. Must be something like a political game with the board. He is too rational as a person and coach to make such blatantly mistakes over and over. It's just too much.
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