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Fénix wrote:

MUTU wrote:

PunkCapitalist wrote:Bayern is and should be expected to win most BuLi matches even with no tactics at all! Even with half a missing squad, we should be winning most BuLi matches.

Pure arrogance.

PunkCapitalist wrote:These are failed tactics because they were proven a failure in the CL.

Champions League 2009-10: 10 points in group, 2nd place. Reached final.
Champions League 2011-12: 13 points in group, 1st place. Reached final.
Champions League 2012-13: 13 points in group, 1st place thanks to direct encounter vs Valencia. Won treble.
Champions League 2018-19: 14 points in group, 1st place for the first time since 2015.

PunkCapitalist wrote:proven a failure in the CL.

As I said, I'm not a fan of Kovac, never was, not even when he was a player. I don't like his tactics, and I don't like his player selection. But this, right here, this is a witch-hunt.

I wouldn't say that's a pure arrogance, but more a sad reality, in worst case, living in the past.

How come? Expectations have been the same over the last three years as they were in period between 2010-2016.
Unfortunately, we are very far from that and the expectations in the last 3 seasons extremely declined, but that didn't happen in heads of many fans because accepting ('a new') reality automatically means bye-bye to dreams you're expecting to happen.
The board gave their direction in which we are constantly moving for 4 years.
You just can't live stuck in time or some specific year or period. If Heynckes' Bayern was a pure past few months later and now some 'far' past, then the same goes for Guardiola's Bayern.
People taught themselves on something, it became a habit and now when you moved away very far, but you still stayed in some specific time, cutting ties represent frustrations, sadness, anger, negativity...

Fénix wrote:I meant 2011-2013 Heynckes, not this abused, interim from the last year.

Regarding Kovač... He did what was the most important - he stabilized the club. 8 straight wins in Bundesliga, qualified the club as the 1st in the CL, Pokal campaign still on going.

Pitch display... Who cares... Even last season under Heynkes we looked far from playing good football, but the season was saved thus the 2018 overhaul postponed, which results with huge frustrations here this season.

ramsej84 wrote:not to mention that his tactics destroyed our double hopes nine months ago... but whatever.
Maybe he is not fleshy as he is not a South American or a French or Spanish,,,

Fénix wrote:I meant 2011-2013 Heynckes, not this abused, interim from the last year.

Regarding Kovač... He did what was the most important - he stabilized the club. 8 straight wins in Bundesliga, qualified the club as the 1st in the CL, Pokal campaign still on going.

Pitch display... Who cares... Even last season under Heynkes we looked far from playing good football, but the season was saved thus the 2018 overhaul postponed, which results with huge frustrations here this season.

Fénix wrote:

MUTU wrote:

PunkCapitalist wrote:Bayern is and should be expected to win most BuLi matches even with no tactics at all! Even with half a missing squad, we should be winning most BuLi matches.

Pure arrogance.

PunkCapitalist wrote:These are failed tactics because they were proven a failure in the CL.

Champions League 2009-10: 10 points in group, 2nd place. Reached final.
Champions League 2011-12: 13 points in group, 1st place. Reached final.
Champions League 2012-13: 13 points in group, 1st place thanks to direct encounter vs Valencia. Won treble.
Champions League 2018-19: 14 points in group, 1st place for the first time since 2015.

PunkCapitalist wrote:proven a failure in the CL.

As I said, I'm not a fan of Kovac, never was, not even when he was a player. I don't like his tactics, and I don't like his player selection. But this, right here, this is a witch-hunt.

I wouldn't say that's a pure arrogance, but more a sad reality, in worst case, living in the past.

How come? Expectations have been the same over the last three years as they were in period between 2010-2016.
Unfortunately, we are very far from that and the expectations in the last 3 seasons extremely declined, but that didn't happen in heads of many fans because accepting ('a new') reality automatically means bye-bye to dreams you're expecting to happen.
The board gave their direction in which we are constantly moving for 4 years.
You just can't live stuck in time or some specific year or period. If Heynckes' Bayern was a pure past few months later and now some 'far' past, then the same goes for Guardiola's Bayern.
People taught themselves on something, it became a habit and now when you moved away very far, but you still stayed in some specific time, cutting ties represent frustrations, sadness, anger, negativity...

#12 wrote:

ramsej84 wrote:not to mention that his tactics destroyed our double hopes nine months ago... but whatever.
Maybe he is not fleshy as he is not a South American or a French or Spanish,,,

Yeah, "his" "tactics"...

PunkCapitalist wrote:

#12 wrote:

ramsej84 wrote:not to mention that his tactics destroyed our double hopes nine months ago... but whatever.
Maybe he is not fleshy as he is not a South American or a French or Spanish,,,

Yeah, "his" "tactics"...

For all his accomplished stabilization, Heynckes did not change significantly Ancelotti tactics. Neither has Kovac. That's my point in regards to his lack of tactics. It was Ancelotti's tactics that lost us the Pokal last year and it's Ancelotti's tactics that are likely to see us beaten in the CL.

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