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[2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:30 pm

Bayern Munich will win
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It will end in a draw
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TSG 1899 Hoffenheim will win
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Total votes : 5

Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby sch0ll7 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:44 pm

Weird game but a good win for us.
It looks like Kovac is trying to play a little faster and I like it. It reminds me of football we played in 2012-13. Another thing I like he is pushing them to run and cover all over the pitch. Once we get a little more organized it will be great.

It looks like Robben still has some fire left in him...while Ribery is not the same anymore. Thiago with a good game. Boateng slow as fuck. Alaba and Kimmich were good. We should try dropping Muller and giving James some time in that position...i think that it will be much better.

Hoffenheim look like a solid team this season and will definitely be in top 4 if they continue to play like this.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:44 pm

Muller's goal should not have been disallowed
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby aterford » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:45 pm

rthebest wrote:
Ollio wrote:Happy holidays for that ref. I mean, that penalty retake can't be a correct call? I'd understand if the defending team somehow sabotages the penalty, but I'm confused about this call?


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I think it was correct call. players are not allowed to enter the box before penalty is taken. but would he review and retake the penalty if a defender was the offender?


Here are the rules per the laws of the game.

-If the player taking the penalty infringes:
1. if the penalty is made, retake the penalty
2. if the penalty is missed/saved, indirect free kick to defending team.

-If the goalkeeper infringes:
1. If the penalty is made, allow it to stand
2. If the penalty does not score, retake it

-If a teammate of the attacking player infringes:
1. if the penalty is made, retake the penalty
2. if penalty doesn't score, indirect free kick to defending team from spot of infringement

-If teammate of goalkeeper infringes:
1. if penalty is made, allow it to stand
2. if penalty doesn't score, retake it

-if teammates of both attacking player and goalkeeper infringe:
1. retake the kick
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[2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Ollio » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:45 pm

aterford wrote:
Ollio wrote:Happy holidays for that ref. I mean, that penalty retake can't be a correct call? I'd understand if the defending team somehow sabotages the penalty, but I'm confused about this call?


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It is correct AFAIK.
Both Robben and a Hoffenheim player (can't remember who) encroached on the penalty - both in box too early.

The rule as written:
"If the referee gives the signal for a penalty kick to be taken and, before the ball is in play, a player of both the defending team and the attacking team infringe the Laws of the Game, the kick is retaken"


Ok thanks for clarifying, for some reason I thought it's only a retake if the GK or defending team does wrong. Rare situation.


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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Manchu » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:46 pm

I have to say that this has to be some of the worst referring I have ever seen. From giving Muller a yellow card for something that wasn't even a foul to letting Hoffenheim commit yellow worthy foul after yellow worthy foul at the start second half to giving a quite dubious penalty to disallowing a perfectly legitimate goal(I've never seen a hand in a more natural position than Muller's) while all the while consulting VAR for every little decision. It's easy to rage at VAR for what was going on, but I suspect that this ref would make a mess of a game like this no matter what and I never want to see him referring a game Bayern is playing.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby aterford » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:47 pm

sch0ll7 wrote:Weird game but a good win for us.
It looks like Kovac is trying to play a little faster and I like it. It reminds me of football we played in 2012-13. Another thing I like he is pushing them to run and cover all over the pitch. Once we get a little more organized it will be great.

It looks like Robben still has some fire left in him...while Ribery is not the same anymore. Thiago with a good game. Boateng slow as ****. Alaba and Kimmich were good. We should try dropping Muller and giving James some time in that position...i think that it will be much better.

Hoffenheim look like a solid team this season and will definitely be in top 4 if they continue to play like this.


Robben still has "it" from time to time.

For me Ribery is basically useless as a winger. But interestingly I still find him dangerous when he drifts inside and plays more centrally. But I have no idea how to accommodate that, practically speaking. For me Müller actually had a great game, but I do think James needs to be on the pitch more. IF Coman is out for a while (knock on wood) I would prefer to see both Müller and James at the same time, TBH.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:49 pm

Naggelsmann 's face and ass are the same...he is crying about the penalty
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Ollio » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:52 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Naggelsmann 's face and ass are the same...he is crying about the penalty

Give us Coman back and we'll make it just 2-1.


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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:54 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Muller's goal should not have been disallowed


I think so too
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Dumbledore7 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:54 pm

I'd give them all 3 points for Coman to be back.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Mavs » Fri Aug 24, 2018 9:57 pm

Achilles wrote:I just hope Coman is OK or maximum 3 weeks out with nothing serious. I'd exchange today's win for that

I'd be relieved even if it's 6.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby IsiahRashad » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:03 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Muller's goal should not have been disallowed


I think so too


A clear handball. They show it many times from 3 or 4 angles.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby rthebest » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:05 pm

aterford wrote:
Here are the rules per the laws of the game.

-If the player taking the penalty infringes:
1. if the penalty is made, retake the penalty
2. if the penalty is missed/saved, indirect free kick to defending team.

-If the goalkeeper infringes:
1. If the penalty is made, allow it to stand
2. If the penalty does not score, retake it

-If a teammate of the attacking player infringes:
1. if the penalty is made, retake the penalty
2. if penalty doesn't score, indirect free kick to defending team from spot of infringement

-If teammate of goalkeeper infringes:
1. if penalty is made, allow it to stand
2. if penalty doesn't score, retake it

-if teammates of both attacking player and goalkeeper infringe:
1. retake the kick

Thanks, but I meant would the ref review it if a defender got to the ball first?
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:07 pm

IsiahRashad wrote:
FCBayernMunchen wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Muller's goal should not have been disallowed


I think so too


A clear handball. They show it many times from 3 or 4 angles.
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Re: [2018-08-24] Bayern Munich vs Hoffenheim

Postby Hardrade » Fri Aug 24, 2018 10:38 pm

Müller had a good game. We had several beautiful combinations, but we still have moments of toothlessness.

Goretzka had a very positive impact on our game, with two key passes (one of which was a shot) that could have been assists if we were luckier. James was on pitch for a very short time but his presence is so obvious and impactful every time - you can’t miss him. Thiago plays a little better with every game, while Martinez seemed somewhat lost and confused.

Ribery wasteful, Boa not on the level required.
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