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[2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:30 pm

Bayern Munich will win
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It will end in a draw
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Borussia Mönchengladbach will win
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Total votes : 2

Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby #12 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:27 pm

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:Great game yesterday! We're really improving and I think we have a shot at the CL this season!

You must feel so proud of your pathetic self.


As a matter of fact, sometimes I do
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby tflags » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:06 pm

I'm glad to see that after such a poor game yesterday we decided to lower our level of discussions in the forum as well.
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby Fénix » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:14 pm

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:
Achilles wrote:Out there only Zinedine Zidane can clean up this mess just by entering the dressing room with his hands in his pocket and his aura of god-like football persona he possess.

I don't like his football style but he'll fix it immediately but he is too powerful for the bosses, he outshines them.


Next coach is gonna be Andi Görlitz - you heard it here first!

Lol does he even have a coaching licence?

Who knows... But as you know, Korkut is no longer VfB Stuttgart coach. Andreas Hinkel(former RB) has been appointed as a new coach. :lol:

Maybe it's a trend to hire right-backs as coaches in KVDM Liga. :mrgreen:
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby America USA » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:26 pm

What the hell is the “KBDM Liga”? :-k
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby Fénix » Sun Oct 07, 2018 3:29 pm

"Keine verrückte Dinge machen" Liga. :wink:
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Oct 07, 2018 5:41 pm

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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby Jorge » Mon Oct 08, 2018 4:51 am

MUTU wrote:
#12 wrote:I said we'll finish 4th if it’s important...

The ideal position.

If that's the idea we can get Arsene Wenger: he will get us 4th place each season. Guaranteed.
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby Borusse » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:46 am

#12 wrote:
Borusse wrote:I see #12 is the forum pessimist here? :D

This game will be very interesting, if you play a poor match and don't win I might actually start believing this is not just a temporary problem with form but an actual long-term issue and Bayern are not completely untouchable this season.


They have never been... It's poor opposition and Jupp that kept us going to this point...


You were untouchable in the sense that you always got like 80+ points every season and it's very difficult to even compete with this kind of regularity long-term though it was possible to beat you in a single game.

This game showed you have some deeper issues, I don't think it's a matter of rotation guys. Even though fielding an optimal eleven and letting them play together game after game without rotating much would probably be good for you, it wouldn't solve the main, obvious issues - Robbery are past it, they are not fast enough anymore, not dynamic enough. And you don't have a great replacement for them, only Coman but he's injured. It might seem like it's not THAT big of a deal but you were counting on Robbery for the last 8 years or so, it's very hard to make the transition after that, especially when the players themselves don't make it easy, they still think they are at the top and get butthurt when they are substituted.

Kovac is also not a coach for Bayern, especially in a difficult moment like that. He would be okay for you 3 or 4 years ago when everything was great and Bayern had a powerful team with all the star players at their best. He would be able to field the best team and relax that the results will be there simply because the players are so strong. He wouldn't have to change much at all.

Now though he is put in a situation when he has to start putting the big stars on the sidelines because they are not performing well enough anymore. Very difficult task for him because he doesn't have the authority to make the team stand behind him. I kind of feel sorry for the guy, he didn't get almost any help from the board as well with the lack of transfers and it almost seems like Hoeness and the bunch knew what's up and appointed a guy who they knew won't last here more than a season. I expect him to go even sooner. It's like Bayern didn't have the balls to just say goodbye to Ribery and Robben and preffered to hire a regular coach, go through one tough season and only then make the revolution in the squad. a year later. But I don't understand why would they wait with that.
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby MercySoccer » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:21 pm

Neuer still out of form... one of the biggest problems that we are facing for now is his form...Hope to see his greatness soon
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby #12 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:00 pm

Erm... No idea... BUT: if they really hired him as a scapegoat they deserve another crucification for making a three year contract... THREE years!!
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby aterford » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:42 pm

#12 wrote:Erm... No idea... BUT: if they really hired him as a scapegoat they deserve another crucification for making a three year contract... THREE years!!


I don't think he was necessarily hired with the intent to make him a scapegoat (god, I hope not) BUT I'd be lying if I said i didn't think it played some factor. Kovac is a win-win-win hire for a guy like Uli.
If Kovac succeeds he can say "See, all you smarties who thought we needed a big name manager, we don't have to do things like other clubs, we will do things our way"
If Kovac fails, he can also easily say things like "He was not experienced enough" or "he did not realize the pressures that came with the job" or "Kovac was not quite prepared to make the leap yet" or whatever - pin it on Niko and absolve himself of most (if not all) responsibility.
And as an added bonus: Kovac doesn't have much "cache" - not like Pep or Ancelotti or whoever would. So he's seemingly less likely to butt heads with Uli (unlike Tuchel). And he probably won't demand big signings (even if he thinks we need them), so if we succeed Uli can also keep saying things like "See, these transfers are mad, we won't engage in that" or "no player is worth this money" or "we didn't engage in transfer madness and still won ___", etc....Perhaps that's all being too cynical, but I wouldn't put any of it past Uli, tbh
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby #12 » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:54 pm

Well, any idiot with half a brain is able to draw connect the dots here and realize if he’s "too inexperienced" it’s on the idiot who hired him by all means...
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby RedQueen » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:55 pm

I don't think he was hired as a scapegoat, they just couldn't find anyone better who fit the profile (German speaking, young, at least a hint of a Bayern pedigree) and didn't want to admit it by hiring someone who obviously doesn't fit it.

Maybe they wanted to prove those right who claim that even the greenkeeper could win the league with the Bayern squad. Although with the Ancelotti experience at the beginning of 2017/18, they should have known better.

Why they gave him a 3 year contract, though, is a mystery. Tuchel's only got a 2 year contract at PSG.
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby aterford » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:04 pm

RedQueen wrote:I don't think he was hired as a scapegoat, they just couldn't find anyone better who fit the profile (German speaking, young, at least a hint of a Bayern pedigree) and didn't want to admit it by hiring someone who obviously doesn't fit it.

Maybe they wanted to prove those right who claim that even the greenkeeper could win the league with the Bayern squad. Although with the Ancelotti experience at the beginning of 2017/18, they should have known better.

Why they gave him a 3 year contract, though, is a mystery. Tuchel's only got a 2 year contract at PSG.


Yep, I think that's a good way of looking at it. Feels to me like they hired Kovac because if Kovac succeeds then they can say that the "system" works. If there's success under Kovac, it's vindication for not spending big in the transfer market. It's vindication for extending Robbery. For not hiring a big name coach. For not doing all the "modern" football things. It shows that the squad is good enough - that the club is well-ran enough - that just doing 'Bayern things' is enough.

There was this strange sense of 'moral superiority' I got when Uli and Co. talked about Kovac vs Tuchel. At the time, it seemed like we were trying to put ourselves on some moral high ground for hiring Kovac instead of Tuchel (nevermind Tuchel's rejection) and for not buying big players, etc... and that's still kind of the sense i get - that if we do well with Kovac, we can say "See! We're not like those OTHER clubs!"
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Re: [2018-10-06] Bayern Munich vs Borussia M'gladbach

Postby RedQueen » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:11 pm

aterford wrote:Yep, I think that's a good way of looking at it. Feels to me like they hired Kovac because if Kovac succeeds then they can say that the "system" works. If there's success under Kovac, it's vindication for not spending big in the transfer market. It's vindication for extending Robbery. For not hiring a big name coach. For not doing all the "modern" football things. It shows that the squad is good enough - that the club is well-ran enough - that just doing 'Bayern things' is enough.

There was this strange sense of 'moral superiority' I got when Uli and Co. talked about Kovac vs Tuchel. At the time, it seemed like we were trying to put ourselves on some moral high ground for hiring Kovac instead of Tuchel (nevermind Tuchel's rejection) and for not buying big players, etc... and that's still kind of the sense i get - that if we do well with Kovac, we can say "See! We're not like those OTHER clubs!"

I'd so love to have been "fly on the wall" during all these deliberations. Most of all I'd love to know exactly what Tuchel said during that alleged conversation in fall 2017, that led to him being put on the back-burner.
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