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[2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:30 pm

Bayern Munich will win
7
70%
It will end in a draw
1
10%
Borussia Dortmund will win
2
20%
 
Total votes : 10

Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby bastos80 » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:38 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:
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Hakara wrote:Think the only game I've enjoyed more this season was the Tottenham game, but that's mostly cause I was watching that in a bar with a bunch of tottenham fans. This was more composed defensively.

Incidentally also a match during which Thiago was benched.

Thiago's a great player, but we seem to play faster and more direct football without him.
It doesn't need to be that way though. Thiago had spells (I believe under Ancelotti) in which he played the deep lying playmaker in the Xabi/Pirlo style very well. That's what I want to see from Thiago, and less horizontal passing.

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Thiago was a 10 under Ancelotti. Under Pep he was used as a DLP at the beginning but only really played there under Kovac, no?
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Nov 10, 2019 7:39 pm

bastos80 wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
MUTU wrote:[quote="Hakara"]Think the only game I've enjoyed more this season was the Tottenham game, but that's mostly cause I was watching that in a bar with a bunch of tottenham fans. This was more composed defensively.

Incidentally also a match during which Thiago was benched.

Thiago's a great player, but we seem to play faster and more direct football without him.
It doesn't need to be that way though. Thiago had spells (I believe under Ancelotti) in which he played the deep lying playmaker in the Xabi/Pirlo style very well. That's what I want to see from Thiago, and less horizontal passing.

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Thiago was a 10 under Ancelotti. Under Pep he was used as a DLP at the beginning but only really played there under Kovac, no?[/quote]My memory fails as to when was it that I observed this, but I think it was under Ancelotti. Not sure though. Maybe it was in Pep's last season, not sure.

Regardless of that, I think Thiago can be that player.

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby zozon » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:11 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Guys... Changing coaches is known to produce a big short term boost in performance. Let's not blow this two results put of proportion.

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We didnt changed the coach, Flick was working with these players all along.

It was Kovac that they were against. Flick only continued what he did, only now without Kovac's "plans". Both Niko's and Robert's plans.
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby sherpthederp » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:16 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Guys... Changing coaches is known to produce a big short term boost in performance. Let's not blow this two results put of proportion.

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Nov 10, 2019 8:57 pm

zozon wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Guys... Changing coaches is known to produce a big short term boost in performance. Let's not blow this two results put of proportion.

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We didnt changed the coach, Flick was working with these players all along.

It was Kovac that they were against. Flick only continued what he did, only now without Kovac's "plans". Both Niko's and Robert's plans.
We did change coach. The positive effect registered when changing coaches is very likely not associated with a change in game plan, but rather mood, which is my point.

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby vtotheinay » Sun Nov 10, 2019 9:14 pm

sherpthederp wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Guys... Changing coaches is known to produce a big short term boost in performance. Let's not blow this two results put of proportion.

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If I hear a single person jinx our situation by appropriating a certain phrase recently used at Man U I’m gonna lose my sh*t lol.


Flick's at the...jk :lol:
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby Jorge » Mon Nov 11, 2019 12:50 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:We need a proper coach who implements proper tactics and can communicate their role to each player. That's what we have been missing since Pep left. Ancelotti was too hands off, Kovac was incompetent. Consequently players kept going by decaying inertia in terms of tactics and their roles.


You mean to win the BL by March but get thrashed when we face decent opposition in Europe?
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Nov 11, 2019 2:02 am

Jorge wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:We need a proper coach who implements proper tactics and can communicate their role to each player. That's what we have been missing since Pep left. Ancelotti was too hands off, Kovac was incompetent. Consequently players kept going by decaying inertia in terms of tactics and their roles.


You mean to win the BL by March but get thrashed when we face decent opposition in Europe?
I know you dislike Pep, but you can't deny that he had a game plan, and tactics, and players understood what they had to do. He may have failed in the CL, even got trashed, but the team was not drifting ("a la deriva") like under Carlo and Kovac.

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby ramsej84 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 7:34 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:
Jorge wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:We need a proper coach who implements proper tactics and can communicate their role to each player. That's what we have been missing since Pep left. Ancelotti was too hands off, Kovac was incompetent. Consequently players kept going by decaying inertia in terms of tactics and their roles.


You mean to win the BL by March but get thrashed when we face decent opposition in Europe?
I know you dislike Pep, but you can't deny that he had a game plan, and tactics, and players understood what they had to do. He may have failed in the CL, even got trashed, but the team was not drifting ("a la deriva") like under Carlo and Kovac.

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby #12 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:18 am

Oh yes, the difference is Pep was shit in away games... Carlo was shit in all games...
- Rangnick or ten Hag in!
- Bring a DM, a winger (Sané) and Havertz!
- Get a REAL sports director (Rangnick?)!
- Keep Hoeness and Rummenigge far away from the team!
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby bastos80 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:04 am

-------- Lewandowski
--- Sané ------------ Havertz
------------- Tolisso
------- Thiago - Goretzka
Alaba - Lucas -- Süle - Kimmich
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby MUTU » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:35 am

And Alaba 1.5...

Im starting to lose respect for Kicker ratings.
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

Postby bastos80 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:46 am

MUTU wrote:And Alaba 1.5...

Im starting to lose respect for Kicker ratings.


Yh, both should be 1.
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Re: [2019-11-09] Bayern Munich vs Borussia Dortmund

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