MUTU wrote:longeleven wrote:I don't know why people here so hard on Pavard.
I think it's clear why. In a strongest XI, he's probably our least-great player, thus he's the new punching bag / scapegoat.
We've been spoilt by great RBs in Babbel, Sagnol, Lahm and Kimmich. Unfortunately, Pavard is closer to an Oddo than a Lahm.
MUTU wrote:I'm saying that Pavard is far from Lahm's level. I think that is fair. How many important matches has Pavard won for us on his own?
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Selling would only make sense if and only if we can get someone stronger than him as a replacement, which I find quite challenging.
In terms of the strongest XI, I don't think Boateng should be near it. In my strongest XI, the backline is composed of Davies, Lucas, Suele, Pavard.
ramsej84 wrote:How many Lahm did?
longeleven wrote:MUTU wrote:I'm saying that Pavard is far from Lahm's level. I think that is fair. How many important matches has Pavard won for us on his own?
I think the real question here is at the moment how many RB in the world closer to Lahm than Oddo
If number is less than 3, I''ll be happy with Pavard for awhile until we produce new Lahm from our academy.
Nevertheless he is closer to Lahm than Oddo (for Bayern)! I agree he’s far from Lahm or even Kimmich but he’s pretty good and imo underrated. He’s been playing poorly but so has everyone else.MUTU wrote:I'm saying that Pavard is far from Lahm's level. I think that is fair. How many important matches has Pavard won for us on his own?
FCBayernMunchen wrote:Nevertheless he is closer to Lahm than Oddo (for Bayern)! I agree he’s far from Lahm or even Kimmich but he’s pretty good and imo underrated. He’s been playing poorly but so has everyone else.MUTU wrote:I'm saying that Pavard is far from Lahm's level. I think that is fair. How many important matches has Pavard won for us on his own?
Did he?longeleven wrote:I don't know why people here so hard on Pavard. The boy already proved he can played at highest level last year.
You won't sell someone that good when they drop their form. There's so many reasons for that.
Agree on get rid of Alaba and Boateng but Tolisso is another story. He is not at Kimmich, Goretzka level ofc but every team need backup players. Same for Sarr or Douglas Costa and Choupo Mouting.
We won't win titles by these kind players but we do need them. Sell Tolisso and get another one, like who? with his quality and willing to be benched with that amount of money?
Fénix wrote:We can't stop conceding goals. 21 conceded goals after just 14 matchdays! Probably the worst defensive record ever or in top 3 of all time apart from Klinsmann's Bayern 2008/2009 and Kovač's 2018/2019.
Fénix wrote:We can't stop conceding goals. 21 conceded goals after just 14 matchdays! Probably the worst defensive record ever or in top 3 of all time apart from Klinsmann's Bayern 2008/2009 and Kovač's 2018/2019.
We start playing some serious football only after we are 1-2 goals down and then we turn the result and win 5:2 and so on.![]()
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In my humble opinion, this season's Bayern has been absolutely carried by Neuer, Lewandowski, Müller and Kimmich.
Goretzka has been also great and extremely vital, productive and efficient at the start of the 2020/2021 season, but it seems to me he got exhausted over the last one month and I can entirely comprehend that, especially after Kimmich's injury.
Hernández and Coman are aboslute winners so far in the 2020/2021 season. They are on their way to join the mentioned crew.
Maybe I have left out Davies... Well, his performance so far has always been great, he is our vital LB and injury put him on hold, no doubt at all he is one of the carriers of this team.
However, it's been just one fantastic season and I still don't want to put any unnecessary pressure on him in case that the Canadian becomes inconsistent or loses his form. He is very young, still inexperienced and needs to learn a lot, doesn't have to be pushed strong out of his limits and his both defensive and offensive game should further improve.
All in all, he is A+ for FC Bayern.![]()
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As a conclusion, I'm not that happy that just 8 players in the starting 11 are doing their job and carry Bayern, that's a lot of work and requires a lot of energy and strength. 3 players are missing.
RB, CB, one winger and maybe another CB. That's where everything is looking extremely bad. Boateng and Pavard are F- this season.
Gnabry is lost, but not a disaster like Pavard who has completely lost himself after the injury. It's like he forgot how to play football.![]()
Boateng is dead meat long time ago. Alaba is leaving and Flick is extremely stubborn and plays till the last drop of blood with him in the starting 11 when he has both top Hernández and Davies at his disposal to play every match.
If there is a top RB to sign on the market and he is ready to join us, we should not save any money at all. That spot has been empty for 2 years!
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