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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby tflags » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:44 am

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ottackon wrote:For the penalty, it was the referee's call, video was not involved.

Exactly. Who decides when to use the video replay? Is it the referee or the video assistant who notifies the referee? Because there is going to be accusations of bias or cheating anyway if some calls are not reviewed.


I read some comments before and the answer is ALL goal scoring opportunities get reviewed; whether it is a penalty or an uncalled one. Just because the referee didn't stop and speak to his microphone yesterday doesn't mean the VAR didn't review the matter. If he has no reason to correct the 1st referee, no need to stop the flow of the game.

What I was glad to see was that they stopped with the stupid exercise of making the ref run to the sidelines to watch a video screen.
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby MaCk0y » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:45 am

I think it's great for offsides. What happens though if they review an offside and then there is not a good camera angle to judge from?
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby MaCk0y » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:52 am

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MaCk0y wrote:
ottackon wrote:For the penalty, it was the referee's call, video was not involved.

Exactly. Who decides when to use the video replay? Is it the referee or the video assistant who notifies the referee? Because there is going to be accusations of bias or cheating anyway if some calls are not reviewed.


I read some comments before and the answer is ALL goal scoring opportunities get reviewed; whether it is a penalty or an uncalled one. Just because the referee didn't stop and speak to his microphone yesterday doesn't mean the VAR didn't review the matter. If he has no reason to correct the 1st referee, no need to stop the flow of the game.

What I was glad to see was that they stopped with the stupid exercise of making the ref run to the sidelines to watch a video screen.

Hmm. I would have thought they would also use it for off the ball incidents that the referee couldn't see, like spitting, punching and kicking. That way the players would think twice before doing anything stupid that would affect the current match plus a ban of matches.

You know what would be fun? Reviewing dives and if one is caught, show it then and there on the stadium screen. :D
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby tflags » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:58 am

MaCk0y wrote:You know what would be fun? Reviewing dives and if one is caught, show it then and there on the stadium screen. :D


For the rest of the match in a endless loop. :lol:
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby ottackon » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:03 pm

MaCk0y wrote:I think it's great for offsides. What happens though if they review an offside and then there is not a good camera angle to judge from?

The Hawk-eye system can't work if all the angles are not covered, so there's no way this situation could occur.
As a tennis watcher, I've become accustomed to the hawk-eye and it worked so well during all those years that it is now an integral part of tennis matches.
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby ottackon » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:08 pm

Just to be clear, there are only four situations when the VARs could be used :

1- Goals : Assisting the referee to determine whether there was an infringement that means a goal should not be awarded.

2- Penalty decisions : Ensuring that no clearly wrong decisions are made in conjunction with the award or non-award of a penalty kick.

3- Red card incidents : Ensuring that no clearly wrong decisions are made in conjunction with sending off or not sending off the player.

4- Mistaken Identity : The referee cautions or sends off the wrong player, or is unsure which player should be sanctioned. The VARs will inform the referee so that the correct player can be disciplined.
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:37 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Surely the fairest would be to allow coaches to request it? Maybe once per half for time issues and the others can be reviewed at the ref's discretion


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No, It will ruin the game's fluidity. The goal here is to assist the referee in certain situations, nothing more.

How's so if it's limited?
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby MUTU » Sat Apr 01, 2017 6:00 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Surely the fairest would be to allow coaches to request it?

Don't we have enough complaints on coaches on BayernForum already? :mrgreen:
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby MaCk0y » Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:18 am

Member when there was a rule for players to have their shirts tucked in before entering the field? And then they immediately, pull the shirt out? Was that an official rule? It was nonsense.
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby Firefox1234 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:50 pm

I will never understand the protest against video assistance, a wrong decision already interrupts the flow of a game since players spend a good 5 minutes surrounding and bickering at the ref. A video replay would surely cut out all that nonsense....
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby Firefox1234 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 2:53 pm

One step closer till UEFA implement it....

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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby ramsej84 » Thu May 04, 2017 9:22 am

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Thursday, May 4, 2017, 08:37
ABBA to be introduced in tournaments
Besiktas Cenk Tosun scores a penalty in a shoot-out against Lyon.
Besiktas Cenk Tosun scores a penalty in a shoot-out against Lyon.
A new penalty shootout system similar to the tennis tiebreak will be tested at the European under-17 championship, which began in Croatia yesterday, UEFA said.
Known as ABBA, the system is designed to prevent the team that goes second from being put at the psychological disadvantage of always having to play catch-up.
Currently penalty shootouts see team A and team B take five penalties each in an alternating pattern with sudden death used after that if the scores are level.
Soccer’s rule making body IFAB, which approved trials of the new system in March, says research proves the team taking the first penalty have a 60 per cent chance of winning, giving them an unfair advantage.
Instead, IFAB want to try a new sequence that replicates the switch of serve between tennis players in a tie break.
It involves team A taking the first penalty, team B the second and third, team A the fourth and fifth and so on until each team had taken five. The sequence would continue if the shootout then goes to sudden death.
“The hypothesis is that the player taking the second kick in the pair is under greater mental pressure,” said UEFA.
“If the opposition’s first penalty in the pair has been successful, a miss by the second penalty-taker in the pair could mean the immediate loss of a match for his team, especially from the fourth pair of penalties onwards.” UEFA said.
UEFA said the system was also being tried at the women’s European under-17 championship, which began in the Czech Republic on Tuesday.
As with the existing system, the referee will toss a coin to decide at which end of the pitch the shootout takes place.
The referee will then toss the coin for a second time and winners can decide whether to take the first or second kick. [source]
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby Lukas » Thu May 04, 2017 12:51 pm

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Thursday, May 4, 2017, 08:37
ABBA to be introduced in tournaments
Besiktas Cenk Tosun scores a penalty in a shoot-out against Lyon.
Besiktas Cenk Tosun scores a penalty in a shoot-out against Lyon.
A new penalty shootout system similar to the tennis tiebreak will be tested at the European under-17 championship, which began in Croatia yesterday, UEFA said.
Known as ABBA, the system is designed to prevent the team that goes second from being put at the psychological disadvantage of always having to play catch-up.
Currently penalty shootouts see team A and team B take five penalties each in an alternating pattern with sudden death used after that if the scores are level.
Soccer’s rule making body IFAB, which approved trials of the new system in March, says research proves the team taking the first penalty have a 60 per cent chance of winning, giving them an unfair advantage.
Instead, IFAB want to try a new sequence that replicates the switch of serve between tennis players in a tie break.
It involves team A taking the first penalty, team B the second and third, team A the fourth and fifth and so on until each team had taken five. The sequence would continue if the shootout then goes to sudden death.
“The hypothesis is that the player taking the second kick in the pair is under greater mental pressure,” said UEFA.
“If the opposition’s first penalty in the pair has been successful, a miss by the second penalty-taker in the pair could mean the immediate loss of a match for his team, especially from the fourth pair of penalties onwards.” UEFA said.
UEFA said the system was also being tried at the women’s European under-17 championship, which began in the Czech Republic on Tuesday.
As with the existing system, the referee will toss a coin to decide at which end of the pitch the shootout takes place.
The referee will then toss the coin for a second time and winners can decide whether to take the first or second kick. [source]

At the end of all that, the winner takes it all. Sorry :oops:
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby JANCKER » Sat May 06, 2017 3:37 am

What about a rule about squad numbers? I'm for it...
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Re: Changing the Rules

Postby Firefox1234 » Sat May 06, 2017 4:22 am

I like the sound of this rule, very refreshing to see from a sport where snails evolve faster....
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