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FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

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Do you think Neuer stands a chance?

Yes
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No
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby MUTU » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:41 am

I see a lot of blame on Lewandowski. He was man enough to vote on who he believed to be the best and not just for his teammates. He had the balls to do it despite knowing that the votes would be made public. So yes, a big well done. If I want to blame a single guy, I would blame someone like Buffon who voted Messi ahead of Neuer, probably not because he thought Messi was better but because he didn't want Neuer to outdo him.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:15 am

MUTU wrote:I see a lot of blame on Lewandowski. He was man enough to vote on who he believed to be the best and not just for his teammates. He had the balls to do it despite knowing that the votes would be made public. So yes, a big well done. If I want to blame a single guy, I would blame someone like Buffon who voted Messi ahead of Neuer, probably not because he thought Messi was better but because he didn't want Neuer to outdo him.

I understand that (il) buff(u)on and was expecting it ; because of envy...but from Robert Lewandwski never.
He knows what type of voting it is(shameful system) so he should have at least voted 1. to a team mate...

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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby fearlesskiki » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:51 am

MUTU wrote:I see a lot of blame on Lewandowski. He was man enough to vote on who he believed to be the best and not just for his teammates. He had the balls to do it despite knowing that the votes would be made public. So yes, a big well done. If I want to blame a single guy, I would blame someone like Buffon who voted Messi ahead of Neuer, probably not because he thought Messi was better but because he didn't want Neuer to outdo him.
the thing is if his teammates are really a class below ronaldo then i'll forgive him. If not for this stupid voting system, his teammates (especially neuer or lahm) can win a straight up fight with ronaldo. So why not them?

Actually i view them above ronaldo. Lahm's consistency & ability to play in different positions... not many can do it. And Neuer? Already discussed much in this thread. His teammates imo are better than ronaldo. So, yes, that's why i'm dissapointed.

Sigh... moving on
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby runaway » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:51 am

We want the voters to vote without bias so our own players should be allowed to do so. Lewandowski thinks Ronaldo is better this 2014. That's the end of it. And we should respect that. Just because the majority is voting their teammates or compatriots, everybody should do it too.

As I said to RedQueen before, Neuer has not freed the Goalkeeper position of the stigma yet. Yes Neuer has gotten a lot of attention but the majority still doesn't appreciate just how special Neuer's contributions to his team.

It's very obvious that the defensive part of football is not properly understood and appreciated today. I mean David Luiz? Why for his Oscar worthy crying at the World Cup? Thiago Silva? What's this 2013? He's nowhere near his best last 2014. Goals wins games but so is stopping one's opponents from scoring.

From the in-depth analysis on Neuer:
When comparing offensive and defensive players by counting successful actions, a bias is created: If Messi and Ronaldo succeed, it records as a goal; if Neuer succeeds, it records as no goal.


Let's just accept that Ronaldo and Messi will always be front runners for any individual award until both retires because goals are important for a lot of people and they can easily outscore anyone in La Liga. If people base everything in stats, of course those two will be above everyone because despite the advancement in football statistics, there's still no proper interpretation in comparing statistics across leagues.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby RedQueen » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:22 am

Don't get the Lewandowski-apologetics. He didn't just not vote his teammate first, he voted for the favorite from his new team's biggest international rival, and their coach. I'd have liked to see the Madridista reactions if Casillas voted Simeone and Neuer over Ancelotti and Ronaldo. You just don't do that if you have any loyalty left. Especially not when you know very well how this vote is already biased against your teammate, then you don't do your damnest to skew it even more against your team.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby fearlesskiki » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:31 am

runaway wrote:It's very obvious that the defensive part of football is not properly understood and appreciated today. I mean David Luiz? Why for his Oscar worthy crying at the World Cup? Thiago Silva? What's this 2013? He's nowhere near his best last 2014. Goals wins games but so is stopping one's opponents from scoring.

If they are chosen by fans or by some "experts", i've nothing to say, but i'm amused by the fact that they are chosen by their peers, seriously? :shock:
if that lists are listed in public, i'll probably laughed for 3 days :lol:
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby RedQueen » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:37 am

Why Bayern Munich Goalkeeper Manuel Neuer Will Win FIFA Ballon D'Or Soon | B/R [source]


As for Lewa, I only hope this won't have repercussions on the team chemistry. I'm not so much worried about Neuer, but I can very well imagine two or three other players not being at all happy with it.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby Tedesco » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:39 am

Lewandowski the guy that signed with us on a free. The same guy that had more "rewarding" proposals from all over the Europe.

Yeah, let's crucify him because he was honest. :roll:
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby RedQueen » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:42 am

Guess what! There he is, in Kicker!

"It was a mistake of mine to have voted for Ronaldo. I'd clearly vote for Neuer today. But I have voted sometime in August, today I'd vote differently. I'm very sorry for Manu. That he didn't even come in 2nd, astounds me, as does the big gap to Rolando. Manuel is a great goalkeeper and guy."


Löws "Sahnehäubchen", Lewandowski übt Selbstkritik | Kicker [source]


Well, maybe you just should think twice before voting, especially if you're just moving to another club.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby RedQueen » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:05 am

According to Focus, it was two points that were between Neuer and Messi. No wonder Lewandowski's now all apologies.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby MillaMjau » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:28 am

Two points? So Lewa's vote would've been decisive. :|
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby fearlesskiki » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:32 am

but who cares about being 2nd or 3rd?
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby quaazi » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:40 am

yeah, i bet neuer is all broken up about them 2 points :roll:
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby MillaMjau » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:46 am

No, it doesn't really matter but it would've just been nice if he were above Messi.
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Re: FIFA Ballon d'Or 2014 (Neuer vs Ronaldo & Messi)

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:54 am

he is either stupid or I don't know what...
by the cristina penaldo stated that he will be working to reach messi with a 4th ballon d'lol... & that his dream is to play alongside both Messi & Neuer :shock:

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