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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby FlowersOfManchester » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:09 pm

Thia -Go and f**k yourself. LUHG.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby AssemFCB » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:11 pm

Barca say its 25M, Bayern say its 20M. I read that the other 5M will be through a friendly or something.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby appudds » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:14 pm

Any news on a release clause or buy back clause in this transfer? Or the number of years the player has signed on?
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Firefox1234 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:17 pm

appudds wrote:Any news on a release clause or buy back clause in this transfer? Or the number of years the player has signed on?


Bayern and Barca negotiated a fee so no release clause was paid....
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Firefox1234 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:19 pm

Well time to move on from this thread :D
http://www.bayernforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=231103#p231103
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby quaazi » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:20 pm

His deal should be 'till 2018. No idea about clauses.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby appudds » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:22 pm

Firefox1234 wrote:Bayern and Barca negotiated a fee so no release clause was paid....

I mean, is there a release clause fitted into his contract with us?
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby MoFattal » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:23 pm

I don't see us as the type of management who insert a release or a buy-back clause into a player's contract. I'd say it's a certain no.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Firefox1234 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:27 pm

appudds wrote:Any news on a release clause or buy back clause in this transfer? Or the number of years the player has signed on?

- 4 year contract

- € 25m transfer package including one friendly so I guess we pay €22m

- "only" €20m effective cost for Bayern because Thiago compensates the sum with a lower salary. Would make sense for him to earn € 0.5m less per year (the same story as with Martínez)
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby lau03143 » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:28 pm

A great addition to the squad.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby appudds » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:32 pm

MoFattal wrote:I don't see us as the type of management who insert a release or a buy-back clause into a player's contract. I'd say it's a certain no.

I do hope so!
I don't want us to give Barca even a chance to take him back immediately whenever they wish!
I knw bayern never put release clauses!
But a buy back clause is something which worries me!

Firefox1234 wrote:- 4 year contract

Isnt it a 5? I heard he signed until 2018
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Rauntšik » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:33 pm

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby walter » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:35 pm

Susie Schaaf's take on this transfer:

http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/bayernmun ... 27?cc=5901

Collective nouns, in English, are a quirky -- yet strangely poetic -- way to classify a group of animals. While most will know a pride of lions, or a gaggle of geese, my favorites tend to be more obscure: An exaltation of larks, a convocation of eagles, an unkindness of ravens, a murder of crows.

I will borrow, here, the collective noun for crows because the alliteration works well. And because Bayern Munich is truly stacked with midfielders. A murder of midfielders.

So why Thiago Alcantara?

Karl-Heinz Rummenigge only a few days ago revealed to Sport Bild that Pep Guardiola had wanted Neymar to come to Bayern. Eventually, the Catalan coach was talked out of the Brazilian in a meeting in Zurich by Rummenigge, referencing the bad luck Bayern had in the past with transferring South Americans (Breno, anyone?) directly to Germany's biggest club. And the weather.

Perhaps under pressure to forge his own Bayern identity, Guardiola recently confirmed that Barcelona's Thiago Alcantara was on his wish list. "I want Thiago Alcantara, I have asked [Bayern to get him]," he said.

"I know him very, very well. He's a great player and can cover three, four, five positions. [He] is the only player I want, it will be him or no one. We have many players, but we need the special qualities Thiago Alcantara brings."

Hold on. What special qualities does Alcantara bring? And more importantly: At what cost?

Not to say he is without talent; he is, after all, Spain's Under-21 captain. But what on his resume stands out to challenge the majority of the current Bayern lineup?

In 2011, he extend his Barcelona contract until 2015, but failed to meet the requirements of his 90 million euro buyout clause (organized by his agent, Pere Guardiola, the brother of Pep, and his father, Mazinho, formerly a Brazil international); instead the amount dropped to 18 million euros. A bargain, one might be led to think, noting his perfect hat trick June 18 against Italy in the European Under-21 Championship final.

OK. So he plays football. Well. Better than most. But why is he so needed in a team full of superstars? You can argue about who has the better midfield till the end of time, but currently Bayern Munich and Barcelona would make the top three on anyone's list. And noting the demolition of Barcelona by Bayern in last season's Champions League, Bayern will end up No. 1 for almost all.

Every single midfield position at Bayern has at least two reliable backups. More than reliable. If Alcantara is looking for more playing time, what hope does he have in Munich's squad?

Assuming everyone, as of now, is staying. The midfield breaks down like this:

Defensive midfielders: Bastian Schweinsteiger, Javi Martinez, Luiz Gustavo, Toni Kroos, Emre Can, David Alaba.

Right wing: Arjen Robben, Thomas Mueller, Xherdan Shaqiri.

Left wing: Franck Ribery, Shaqiri, David Alaba.

Central attacking midfielder: Mario Goetze, Mueller, Kroos, Ribery, Claudio Pizarro, Schweinsteiger.

An absolute murder of midfielders, right? And this isn't even including the youngsters who may be promoted.

I've left out Shaqiri as a CAM strictly because he's too small to play the position in German football, as evidenced by his run at it last season. And there's a point to be made about height, as well. Alcantara would be taller than only Philipp Lahm, Shaqiri and Rafinha in the Bayern squad.

And in Bundesliga football, size does matter. Some have intimated that Bayern's success last season was more due to brawn than footballing brains. While flashes of brilliance come hard and fast, this is the nature of the way it's done in Deutschland. Beautiful passes come as they may, but one still must muscle his opponent off the ball when the opportunity arises. A slight 5-foot-7 Spaniard might not be up to the task.

Perhaps this is Guardiola just wanting to put his stamp on the team, but to what effect? Moving Javi Martinez back to a spot at centre back that he hated playing at Athletic Bilbao? Forgoing Luiz Gustavo (who would likely be odd man out)? Toni Kroos? Jerome Boateng?

Pep, at this point, with a Thiago signing, could very well lose the dressing room, with Bayern Munich looking nothing like the treble-winning team it was a couple of months ago.

In 2011, Thiago said, "I'd be lying if I said my dream is to succeed at Barcelona. My dream is to succeed in football." Perhaps he should agree to terms with Manchester United. They need him much more than Bayern Munich.

While Alcantara may be a boon in the end, to me he's superfluous to Bayern's needs. They've already got a murder of midfielders.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby walter » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:36 pm

FlowersOfManchester wrote:Thia -Go and f**k yourself. LUHG.


Sorry, mate, it just happens that Man U are not big enough for Thiago...
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby FCB 4 EVA » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:46 pm

FlowersOfManchester wrote:Thia -Go and f**k yourself. LUHG.



Awww look a typical Man Shited fan, he just wanted a better club mate =D> :lol: but its okay you've got Michael.....Carrick :lol: :lol:
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