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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby Pelin » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:01 pm

RedQueen wrote:
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RedQueen wrote:So, we're going to take the third of Hoffenheim's most important players within half a year, only to become a squad player at Bayern.

Hopp has neither ambition nor spine. I'm sorry for Julian.

Can't wait for the complaints in the Europa League thread how poorly they're doing and how they are an embarrassment for the German league.

This has nothing to do with us. if we don't, the others will do.

it's like English club's fans. They want Bundesliga talents, if Bayern signs them, they accuces of us weakening our rivals, as if they are our rivals. if their clubs signs them, they don't care about it as if it won't weaken them.

After all, they must question their ambition considering they signed Nordtveit and Grillitsch to replace Süle and Rudy.

Sorry, but I'm quite certain that Wagner would not leave Hoffenheim for any other club than Bayern, at least not at this point.

l was not talking about Wagner particularly. it was generally speaking.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby tflags » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:07 pm

I've watched a lot of Hoffenheim games lately and I noticed he either shines every couple of games, or gets lost in the turbulence somehow. A Pizza type of player he's not; but for 10 million and a desperate buy, not a bad choice.

I would still prefer Boateng up front though.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:18 pm

His aggressiveness reminds me of Mandzukic so I will welcome him

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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby Element » Thu Nov 16, 2017 1:57 pm

Sandro Wagner will do the Job IMO (more than Fernando Torres at least).
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If Wagner is signed by Bayern in January, he would not be cup-tied in the Champions League, despite playing in the qualifiers for Hoffenheim against Liverpool. [source]

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Element wrote:Spox did not give details so i checked the 2017-2018 UEFA champions league regulations. While there is indeed a similar rule, it does not apply for Fernando Torres.

The rule says
Exceptionally, however, a player who has
been fielded in the first, second, third qualifying round or the play-offs of the
UEFA Champions League or UEFA Europa League is entitled to play in the UEFA
Champions League or UEFA Europa League for another club as from the group
stage. Moreover, as from the start of the round of 16, a player can be registered in
accordance with Paragraph 44.01 to Paragraph 44.04.


The rule Spox are referring to, DOESN'T apply if the player had appeared in the group stage.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby Achilles » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:18 pm

I think it's a good deal.
Knows the club inside out, experiences in the league,German international,very aggresive on the pitch and he can score. Not ideal but I think it's a good move considering the situation at January.
Cheap, cleared for the CL, fast intergration, good age, it can work.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby MUTU » Thu Nov 16, 2017 2:23 pm

For me, he's an average player but we are so desperate for a striker that I welcome him with open arms nonetheless.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby prasun77 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:00 pm

There's not a shadow of doubt that he is the best 2nd choice "experienced"(even better --bundesliga experience) we can possible get worldwide..that guy is a german international for FFS. Coupled with the fact that he is a bayern fan he will definitely give his 200% every match. Also he is 29 so he is far from finished.
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Sandro Wagner

Postby pyrasur » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:27 pm

Can’t get Werner, might as well get the second best German striker
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby aterford » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:51 pm

I don't have terribly high expectations from him but I have to think right now he's probably the best possible option. given the circumstances €10m for a pretty good player who's willing to be backup seems too good to be true.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby Coman » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:06 pm

We can't get a better and non-cup tied player for this price-tag except Ibisevic or any average Bundesliga striker. So welcome, better than nothing.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby IsiahRashad » Thu Nov 16, 2017 6:33 pm

Give them 15 million if they want,bring our guy back.

He is going to be a perfect Lewy sub.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby America USA » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:11 pm

aterford wrote:I don't have terribly high expectations from him but I have to think right now he's probably the best possible option. given the circumstances €10m for a pretty good player who's willing to be backup seems too good to be true.


It does. In a World Cup year all players want to play as many games as possible to strength their case. Given that Gomez and Werner start/will start regularly for Wolfsburg and Leipzig respectively, it seems suspicious that Wagner would accept a backup role when his direct CF competitors would be playing regularly.

I would also question such a man’s professional ambition. So he is willing to play second fiddle to Lewandowski, thereby jeopardizing his WC spot, when he could instead stay at Hoffenheim and start regularly and strengthen his case for a WC spot?
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Nov 16, 2017 7:39 pm

pyrasur wrote:Can’t get Werner, might as well get the second best German striker
After Mario Gómez? :D @Mutu

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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby Achilles » Thu Nov 16, 2017 8:16 pm

IsiahRashad wrote:Give them 15 million if they want,bring our guy back.
He is going to be a perfect Lewy sub.

I agree, he is a tough guy and he is in a good run recently maybe he is not the kind of striker that his stats may shock you but he gets the job done and the opponent can "feel" his presence, he reminds me of Mandzukic the Croat wasn't the absolute CF but he was a very important player who fitted perfectly well, Wagner has the ambition, the runs and the will to sacrifice his role by chasing opponents,passing the ball and make some dirty work.

If we add into the mix the timing I think he is a very good choice even if we double the sum to €20m I don't think we could get a much better player, there is no -quality- CF in the world right now young or experienced(non CL cup-tied) who would happily gamble his season being a back up, not now just before the World Cup, everybody wants to prove themselves and guarantee a spot to their NT for the summer fest in Russia.

Wagner will keep Lewy on his toes, he is tough guy with great work rate and Heynckes won't hesitate a sub if Wagner is on a good form.
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Re: Sandro Wagner

Postby YlonenXabi » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:52 pm

MUTU wrote:To me, Wagner looks like a poor man's Carsten Jancker. Really not impressed by this guy.


To me he looks more like a poor man's Mandzukic. He's a fighter but not particularly good at anything

He used to be mediocre and indolent, but now he's been average/decent with Hoffenheim

At least he will be very motivated as signing for Bayern would put him one step closer to Russia
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