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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Wed Jun 15, 2016 5:56 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:He’s a ball-player but he’s not the quickest…I think he could get exposed (in the Premier League)…I think Man United need a powerful defender…who is very physical and very aggressive, and that is definitely not Hummels.

-Owen hargreaves

Funny you should try and prove stuff by quoting one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Bundesliga-import disappointments for the Premier League. Man United spent around €1m per match, EXCLUDING WAGES, for Owen Hargreaves :lol:

Owen Hargreaves was among the "most disappointing signings’’ of Sir Alex Ferguson’s managerial career, the former Manchester United boss claims. [source]


You should see the huge list of bundesliga flops in England...
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby MUTU » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:00 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:He’s a ball-player but he’s not the quickest…I think he could get exposed (in the Premier League)…I think Man United need a powerful defender…who is very physical and very aggressive, and that is definitely not Hummels.

-Owen hargreaves

Funny you should try and prove stuff by quoting one of the biggest, if not the biggest, Bundesliga-import disappointments for the Premier League. Man United spent around €1m per match, EXCLUDING WAGES, for Owen Hargreaves :lol:

Owen Hargreaves was among the "most disappointing signings’’ of Sir Alex Ferguson’s managerial career, the former Manchester United boss claims. [source]


You should see the huge list of bundesliga flops in England...

Bet you can't name a bigger Bundesliga flop in England. 4 years of salary and €25m (which at the time was an enormous fee... In comparison, two years later Bayern bought Ballack for €12.9m, practically half the price) for 27 matches played and 2 goals scored for Man Utd.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:05 pm

Hargreaves flopping had to do with injuries though from what I remember.

As you guys even said, EPL is a pace driven league. Hummels would get exposed for his lack of pace, unless the manager hid it like they did with john terry at chelsea the past few seasons or play very conservative defensive football
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby MUTU » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:13 pm

Thiagoalcantara wrote:Hargreaves flopping had to do with injuries though from what I remember.

As you guys even said, EPL is a pace driven league. Hummels would get exposed for his lack of pace, unless the manager hid it like they did with john terry at chelsea the past few seasons or play very conservative defensive football

Pace is not a critical attribute for a defender. What Hummels lacks in pace he makes up with superb interception and great tackling ability.

Also pace never stopped Germans playing for a top Premier League club. Mertesacker only managed to cover the distance of the entire pitch last month in his 5 years at Arsenal.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:18 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:Hargreaves flopping had to do with injuries though from what I remember.

As you guys even said, EPL is a pace driven league. Hummels would get exposed for his lack of pace, unless the manager hid it like they did with john terry at chelsea the past few seasons or play very conservative defensive football

Pace is not a critical attribute for a defender. What Hummels lacks in pace he makes up with superb interception and great tackling ability.

Also pace never stopped Germans playing for a top Premier League club. Mertesacker only managed to cover the distance of the entire pitch last month in his 5 years at Arsenal.


That stat is complete bs. Cesc and Mikel use to have the best cover the distance stat as well.. And mertasakcer got replaced by a south american....

Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby MUTU » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:26 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:Hargreaves flopping had to do with injuries though from what I remember.

As you guys even said, EPL is a pace driven league. Hummels would get exposed for his lack of pace, unless the manager hid it like they did with john terry at chelsea the past few seasons or play very conservative defensive football

Pace is not a critical attribute for a defender. What Hummels lacks in pace he makes up with superb interception and great tackling ability.

Also pace never stopped Germans playing for a top Premier League club. Mertesacker only managed to cover the distance of the entire pitch last month in his 5 years at Arsenal.


That stat is complete bs. Cesc and Mikel use to have the best cover the distance stat as well.. And mertasakcer got replaced by a south american....

Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.

I don't think you understood my tongue-in-cheek comment. I meant Mertesacker's total distance covered over 5 years was the length of a football pitch, because he's so slow. Seriously, Mertesacker makes Hummels look like The Flash.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby pyrasur » Wed Jun 15, 2016 6:36 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:You guys are just homers if you do not think so.

This isn't 2012. Hummels hasn't been a so called great player in a while...


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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jun 15, 2016 8:48 pm

Thiagoalcantara wrote:Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.

I think one needs to look at it from a team point of view rather than an individual. Pace is certainly important for CBs, but other qualities can make up for it. You can't have two slow CBs (as we know better than anyone), but you can afford to have a CB without much pace if he's great at other things and has a partner who makes up for his speed.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Machiavellico » Wed Jun 15, 2016 9:05 pm

Thiagoalcantara wrote:Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.


Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand were probably the best CB duo in the past 20 years of PL. And yet neither was pacey. Especially Vidic. How is it really that pace is so important? Look at Leicester's CBs from this season as well. Huth is a rock. And Morgan isn't any Speedy Gonzales either.
Pace is a bonus, but I wouldn't really call it important. The mind is the most important attribute of a defender.
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby #12 » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:15 pm

pyrasur wrote:Actually I must commend you for your knowledge of American slang. I checked urban dictionary and in fact a homer is apparently someone who shows blind loyalty.

For some reason I felt the reference to a Greek heroic poet was supposed to be an insult, I just didn't understand how.


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There's better defenders than Hummels... Silva is not one of them... There are few CBs with better playmaking ability - including Boateng... Which is why overall there are few CBs close to Hummels' class...
Boateng and Hummels, Javi or Renato in front if them... Looks pretty much like a textbook defense...
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:21 pm

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Thiagoalcantara wrote:Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.

I think one needs to look at it from a team point of view rather than an individual. Pace is certainly important for CBs, but other qualities can make up for it. You can't have two slow CBs (as we know better than anyone), but you can afford to have a CB without much pace if he's great at other things and has a partner who makes up for his speed.


Your right. If one makes up for the other, it could work or the tactics employed.. I think for pep's team, a slow cb would of gotten killed with our high line we play....

Chelsea employed this tactic essentially. OScar played more of a defensive n10, Matic covered the back four and caesar azp went from rb to lb to cover jt's lack of speed. So, jose tactically made the team work out. However, once the team stop working, jt starting to get exposed with his lack of pace and eventually got benched for the first time in his career.....
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Wed Jun 15, 2016 10:23 pm

Machiavellico wrote:
Thiagoalcantara wrote:Pace is important, which is why John Terry got exposed so much this season at chelsea because he didnt have the cover to compensate for it.


Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand were probably the best CB duo in the past 20 years of PL. And yet neither was pacey. Especially Vidic. How is it really that pace is so important? Look at Leicester's CBs from this season as well. Huth is a rock. And Morgan isn't any Speedy Gonzales either.
Pace is a bonus, but I wouldn't really call it important. The mind is the most important attribute of a defender.


Rio is one of the fastest cbs to ever play football.... Vidic wasn't, but Rio was an ideal cb physically with pace, height and power...

leicester played conservative counter attacking football, not our football and not what most bigger teams play... He did well because they essentially gave no opportunities to opposing teams to expose their lack of speed
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby pyrasur » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:19 am

#12 wrote:
pyrasur wrote:Actually I must commend you for your knowledge of American slang. I checked urban dictionary and in fact a homer is apparently someone who shows blind loyalty.

For some reason I felt the reference to a Greek heroic poet was supposed to be an insult, I just didn't understand how.


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There's better defenders than Hummels... Silva is not one of them... There are few CBs with better playmaking ability - including Boateng... Which is why overall there are few CBs close to Hummels' class...
Boateng and Hummels, Javi or Renato in front if them... Looks pretty much like a textbook defense...


Welp, that would be more logical than a reference to the Iliad. Just goes to show why I lack the imagination to dream up these scenarios of Varane being a better CB than Hummels :/
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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby ottackon » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:35 pm

Ancelotti has asked Bayern to bring Varane according to Le Parisien

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Re: Raphaël Varane

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:13 pm

ottackon wrote:Ancelotti has asked Bayern to bring Varane according to Le Parisien

http://www.leparisien.fr/sports/le-baye ... 923449.php

as the article states he will be in the same situation as he is in Madrid : third choice. So he'd rather stays put since both Pepe and Ramos are not getting any younger.
And Imo €40 is very expensive.
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