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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby MUTU » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:22 pm

gumboduncan wrote:I completely understand Uli's logic. We have to put our faith in Coman when Ribery goes down with injuries. Maybe Draxler will be available next summer when Ribery will most likely retire. I'm glad that Uli and Kalle see his qualities. It will however be bad for Jogi Löw and the national team that Draxler will be a bench player this season is Mbappé arrives.

I don't. We have 3 players in the squad who's main position is that of a winger. Ancelotti said he doesn't see Mueller on the wing, so the fourth option is James Rodriguez playing in a less-than-ideal position. How is that too many options, especially considering that two of these are very old?

Also, even if we did have options, how about taking the Gnabry route of buying him and loaning him out?
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby gumboduncan » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:02 pm

I think our board and coach aren't willing to put Ribery on the bench when he's healthy. Same with Robben. So they must think that if they add Draxler he will most likely put Ribery on the bench. Then we have an unhappy Ribery and that's never a good thing. That might be a locker room cancer that could spread to the media. Ribery is still in his mind a worldclass player that should play every match when fit. At least Carlo can play Müller more without Draxler even though they aren't similar players.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby endrity » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:06 pm

^But he's not, even when he's healthy which will not be very often for a soon to be 35 year old. He's a good option to have, but he can't run and press for 90 minutes like he needs to for this team to win. If he can't accept this, than it's time to move on.

Robben is not that far behind btw. He can play 20 great games a season, but no more. However he seems to deal with it a bit better.

If we allow a repeat of the Alonso situation, it will only harm the team further in the long run.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby #12 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:06 pm

gumboduncan wrote:WOW I remember those games a bit different. The game at the Allianz Arena was going according to plan until Vidal missed the penalty and we went into halftime with our head hanging low. Then we started the second half asleep and Ronaldo scored. Then Javi was sent of and then the game changed and we were lucky (thanks to Neuer) to loose the game only 1-2. The second game in Madrid was also going to plan until Vidal was sent off. We had the momentum going into the extra time. I can't really see how Real outplayed us. 11 against 11 Bayern had a great chance of eliminate Real. I can't see it any other way.

Ribery creates loads of chances with his runs and overlap play with Alaba. The problem with Ribery is his age. That's why I think Draxler could be a great replacement. James should also create many chances when he comes back. On defense basically have the starting lineup for the German national team and last time I checked they are they are second best national team in the world. Then we have Alaba which is considered to be among the top 3 LB in the game. I can't see why we need new players in defense. We need to get Boateng back to his best (which I think he will this season) and I'm 100% sure our defense will not be a problem this season.


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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby endrity » Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:13 pm



Well, right now your coach is saying that Muller is not good enough to substitute a 34 and a 35 year old.

If he's wrong about that, than you should bring a coach who thinks Muller can play a wing role, Robben and Ribery alternate for the other spot giving each other a breather, and James/Thiago play the #10, with Thiago dropping to the #8 when both are on the pitch.

However, since you maintaining the trust in this coach, and he has made it clear that he sees Muller as a reserve for both the wing and the #10 spot, than this is a weird way of looking at the team right now. You are not getting a possible starter, whether Draxler or anyone, because this hurts a player that is now on the bench and can't overtake two veterans?
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby FCB12Forever » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:15 pm

gumboduncan wrote:I think our board and coach aren't willing to put Ribery on the bench when he's healthy. Same with Robben. So they must think that if they add Draxler he will most likely put Ribery on the bench. Then we have an unhappy Ribery and that's never a good thing. That might be a locker room cancer that could spread to the media. Ribery is still in his mind a worldclass player that should play every match when fit. At least Carlo can play Müller more without Draxler even though they aren't similar players.


IMO they must get over with it. RibRob are 34 and 33. Even if they are healthy they cannot keep up the pace with that time when they were 28 and 27. They are more likely to slow the whole team down and halt our attacks. If RibRob are unhappy, they need to go. It pains me to say that.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby YlonenXabi » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:22 am

If Carlo knew that we were playing 4-2-3-1 this season, then I think we should've gotten Draxler instead of Tolisso.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby Isabella » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:20 pm

I still think who the priority of board and coach is keeping the locker room relatively quiet and happy and they are willing to pay the price for it (because the alternative will be the hell). PSG need to sell at least one between Draxler and Di Maria but they can wait until January or June and really PSG had a very good reason for not selling anyone to us right now. If Robbery, as is likely, will retire next year maybe Draxler will arrive next summer (if PSG is not asking too much for him) considering who right now the shopping for the next summer looks like Goretzka for free and Brandt for less than 20 millions. If the shopping go like that next year we will have Coman, Gnabry, Brandt and Draxler for the wings (plus James and Muller)
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby #12 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:19 pm

So not a single winger that really excels... It used to be two
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby pyrasur » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:30 pm

YlonenXabi wrote:If Carlo knew that we were playing 4-2-3-1 this season, then I think we should've gotten Draxler instead of Tolisso.


Hence he tries to force 4-3-3. The team must eventually get used to it.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby envagyokazapad » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:02 pm

gumboduncan wrote:I think our board and coach aren't willing to put Ribery on the bench when he's healthy. Same with Robben. So they must think that if they add Draxler he will most likely put Ribery on the bench. Then we have an unhappy Ribery and that's never a good thing. That might be a locker room cancer that could spread to the media. Ribery is still in his mind a worldclass player that should play every match when fit. At least Carlo can play Müller more without Draxler even though they aren't similar players.


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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby Mircea_1984 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:03 pm

We are the only top tean with a squad of only 20 senior players. I think that it is not enough for a long campaign on three fronts. And we cant count on Ribery and Robben to stay injury free. And Im expecting Batra, Burki or other BVB player who take out Lewa in March April, what will do then? We will all lament here on the forum about the squad size. We desperately need another young winger this year.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:24 pm

Mircea_1984 wrote:We are the only top tean with a squad of only 20 senior players. I think that it is not enough for a long campaign on three fronts. And we cant count on Ribery and Robben to stay injury free. And Im expecting Batra, Burki or other BVB player who take out Lewa in March April, what will do then? We will all lament here on the forum about the squad size. We desperately need another young winger this year.

Technically we have 25, if you want to count Früchtl, Götze, Friedl, Dorsch and Benko. I believe only Benko actually played for the senior team and it was a DFB Pokal match against Carl Zeiss Jena, not exactly the mightiest of opponents.

That said, Real Madrid have 21 outfield players in their senior squad (including players like Achraf Hakimi) while we have 22; 18 if you don't want to include Götze, Friedl, Dorsch and Benko who never play anyway.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby Mircea_1984 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:34 pm

MUTU wrote:
Mircea_1984 wrote:We are the only top tean with a squad of only 20 senior players. I think that it is not enough for a long campaign on three fronts. And we cant count on Ribery and Robben to stay injury free. And Im expecting Batra, Burki or other BVB player who take out Lewa in March April, what will do then? We will all lament here on the forum about the squad size. We desperately need another young winger this year.

Technically we have 25, if you want to count Früchtl, Götze, Friedl, Dorsch and Benko. I believe only Benko actually played for the senior team and it was a DFB Pokal match against Carl Zeiss Jena, not exactly the mightiest of opponents.

That said, Real Madrid have 21 outfield players in their senior squad (including players like Achraf Hakimi) while we have 22; 18 if you don't want to include Götze, Friedl, Dorsch and Benko who never play anyway.


The problem is that Real does not have so many prone injury players with their key players. Boa, Marinez, Robbery, Thiago, all of them have bog problem injuries. Ronaldo, Kroos, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajaj does not have these problems. We would be OK with our squad if we would stop beeing so emotional and quitely sell these players.
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Re: Julian Draxler

Postby 1911 » Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:36 am

Bayern go into the transfer window needing a LW and a back up CF and end up making signings at defense, midfield, and 10, but exiting the window still needing a LW and back up CF . . .
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