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2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

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How do you rate FC Bayern's summer transfer window?

Excellent, one of the best ever!
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3%
Great
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14%
Very good but not great
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21%
Decent
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24%
Average
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17%
Below average
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3%
Very bad but not terrible
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10%
Terrible
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Catastrophical, one of the worst ever!
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby IsiahRashad » Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:29 pm

bastos80 wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:
IsiahRashad wrote:One thing for sure: I'm not going to blame Carlo for results in CL if we don't get proper winger with experience in CL.

Me neither...

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Good on you guys, not like you didn't know before what kind of men run this club and you still blamed him :lol:
The situation won't be much different than it was this season, except that Robben & Ribéry will be a little older.
We'll still rely on them too much.



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I have been asking a question for quite long time.Why you're taking a specialist like Carlo, and you're not giving him the right players for CL? That's the reason he's with us-to win the CL.As i said before,with a little help from the assistants i can put Bayern in top 3 in the BL.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby prasun77 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:41 pm

Seriously if we fail to sign a winger/striker uli and kalle should resign and go..
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby Pelin » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:35 am

Let's clarify something. Sanches is not a player who deserves 25 m euros a year wage at the age of 29. signing him will kill wage balance and wage structure.but we need a WC player more than anything.

it was clear that we need a new player for LW since last February. Who is our Plan B?
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby Lahmies » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:47 am

Pelin wrote:Let's clarify something. Sanches is not a player who deserves 25 m euros a year wage at the age of 29. signing him will kill wage balance and wage structure.but we need a WC player more than anything.

it was clear that we need a new player for LW since last February. Who is our Plan B?


Who knows? There aren't many good winger options right now, sladly. I can't think of any avaible players other than Alexis and maybe Lemar. Others would be very hard to get as well.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby armonak » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:16 am

Lahmies wrote:
Pelin wrote:Let's clarify something. Sanches is not a player who deserves 25 m euros a year wage at the age of 29. signing him will kill wage balance and wage structure.but we need a WC player more than anything.

it was clear that we need a new player for LW since last February. Who is our Plan B?


Who knows? There aren't many good winger options right now, sladly. I can't think of any avaible players other than Alexis and maybe Lemar. Others would be very hard to get as well.


Just because there aren't any available, it shouldn't mean that you should go with a guy that asks Ronaldo kind of wages...
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby La Bestia Negra » Fri Jun 30, 2017 8:26 am

Who should we go for then? (Not saying we should sign Sanchez for those wages) There's not many options, Lemar from what I hear is good but I doubt Monaco would give him up especially after losing Bernardo, there aren't many options atm for LW. We need someone who can play on the left because we haven't gotten anymore creative in attack especially with Ribery being another year older.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 9:16 am

Again, we're acting like there just aren't and weren't any options just because the Stars didn't shine bright on soccer - we brought it upon ourselves, Hoeness and Dummenigge did...
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Jun 30, 2017 11:49 am

#12 wrote:Again, we're acting like there just aren't and weren't any options just because the Stars didn't shine bright on soccer - we brought it upon ourselves, Hoeness and Dummenigge did...

Please stop it with the insults to management. It's against the rules and you should know better.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:08 pm

Pelin wrote:Nobody expected a 100 m euros signing, just sign a game changer winger, that's all. This is that hard? Our squad is great but lacks some elements, complete it please. if you don't sign him, you will waste this squad for nothing.

as if Sanches got a chance. Dead Walking always started over him though he gave almost nothing.

We depend on Robben too much. if we lose Robben because of a injury, we will probably lose Bundesliga litle, then Uli will see our great squad. #-o


It's hard but only because we procrastinated so long. Now we are left with the lesser of German talents and only Sanchez as an established option when we could have had Sane, De Bruyne, Jesus...


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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:35 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
Pelin wrote:Nobody expected a 100 m euros signing, just sign a game changer winger, that's all. This is that hard? Our squad is great but lacks some elements, complete it please. if you don't sign him, you will waste this squad for nothing.

as if Sanches got a chance. Dead Walking always started over him though he gave almost nothing.

We depend on Robben too much. if we lose Robben because of a injury, we will probably lose Bundesliga litle, then Uli will see our great squad. #-o


It's hard but only because we procrastinated so long. Now we are left with the lesser of German talents and only Sanchez as an established option when we could have had Sane, De Bruyne, Jesus...


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You can add Neymar and Dembele to the list. The problem with Bayern is that since we never sell players, we don't have enough cash flow to buy established stars. Look at Dortmund. They got Dembele for €15m or so, and a year later they can sell him for €80m. We could get Sanchez and pay his salary for 1 year with that money. Sometimes you need to sell in order to buy, but we only sell players when they're at their lowest market value; either with a year left on their contract or when they flop. For example, it would be unlike Bayern to sell Kimmich in order to buy Carvajal (+ have spare cash)
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby nm462272 » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:41 pm

MUTU wrote:The problem with Bayern is that since we never sell players, we don't have enough cash flow to buy established stars. Look at Dortmund. They got Dembele for €15m or so, and a year later they can sell him for €80m. We could get Sanchez and pay his salary for 1 year with that money. Sometimes you need to sell in order to buy, but we only sell players when they're at their lowest market value; either with a year left on their contract or when they flop. For example, it would be unlike Bayern to sell Kimmich in order to buy Carvajal (+ have spare cash)


this is a great point, and i don't think enough people recognize this
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:43 pm

MUTU wrote:
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Pelin wrote:Nobody expected a 100 m euros signing, just sign a game changer winger, that's all. This is that hard? Our squad is great but lacks some elements, complete it please. if you don't sign him, you will waste this squad for nothing.

as if Sanches got a chance. Dead Walking always started over him though he gave almost nothing.

We depend on Robben too much. if we lose Robben because of a injury, we will probably lose Bundesliga litle, then Uli will see our great squad. #-o


It's hard but only because we procrastinated so long. Now we are left with the lesser of German talents and only Sanchez as an established option when we could have had Sane, De Bruyne, Jesus...


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I don't think money is the issue, but rather ideology. I think Bayern could afford KDB or Sané, management just wouldn't agree that market reality has irrevocably changed. Besides, most of the deals that would requiere insane amounts of money are a no-go anyway, because the players are already at top clubs who don't sell.

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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:57 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:I don't think money is the issue, but rather ideology. I think Bayern could afford KDB or Sané, management just wouldn't agree that market reality has irrevocably changed. Besides, most of the deals that would requiere insane amounts of money are a no-go anyway, because the players are already at top clubs who don't sell.

People keep saying that money is not the issue, but nothing could be further from the truth. The only reason for Bayern not (attempting to) sign the best players in the world is exactly that: money. If, hypothetically, a new sponsor starts paying Bayern €1bn per season, don't you think we would start making numerous transfers over €100m? Or do you honestly think that the board would only keep trying to get the cheap bargains? The reality is that ever since I watched Bayern I don't think we ever paid a transfer fee that was at least 50% of the record transfer fee at that point in time.

For example when Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Makaay for €18.75m, the world transfer record was €75m (25% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Gomez for €30m, the world transfer record was €94m (32% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Martinez for €40m, the world transfer record was €94m (43% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Tolisso for €41.5m, the world transfer record was €105m (40% of world record).

etc etc.

I wonder if we EVER paid a transfer fee that was above 50% of the world record transfer fee at any point in our club's history.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:03 pm

MUTU wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:I don't think money is the issue, but rather ideology. I think Bayern could afford KDB or Sané, management just wouldn't agree that market reality has irrevocably changed. Besides, most of the deals that would requiere insane amounts of money are a no-go anyway, because the players are already at top clubs who don't sell.

People keep saying that money is not the issue, but nothing could be further from the truth. The only reason for Bayern not (attempting to) sign the best players in the world is exactly that: money. If, hypothetically, a new sponsor starts paying Bayern €1bn per season, don't you think we would start making numerous transfers over €100m? Or do you honestly think that the board would only keep trying to get the cheap bargains? The reality is that ever since I watched Bayern I don't think we ever paid a transfer fee that was at least 50% of the record transfer fee at that point in time.

For example when Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Makaay for €18.75m, the world transfer record was €75m (25% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Gomez for €30m, the world transfer record was €94m (32% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Martinez for €40m, the world transfer record was €94m (43% of world record).
When Bayern broke the personal transfer record to buy Tolisso for €41.5m, the world transfer record was €105m (40% of world record).

etc etc.

I wonder if we EVER paid a transfer fee that was above 50% of the world record transfer fee at any point in our club's history.

And yet the club remains debt free. Sure, if we got insane money, we would spend more, but that doesn't take away from the argument that our reluctance to spend is not related to our spending capacity. A way to look at it would be; do we spend as much on our average transfer as other clubs do, after adjusting for differences in income (in proportional terms)? I think the answer would be no, but I would have to check.

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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:35 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:And yet the club remains debt free.

The reason why we remain debt free is that money is indeed an issue. If we didn't care about money, we'd be running into huge debts and get into FFP trouble, wouldn't we?

PunkCapitalist wrote:A way to look at it would be; do we spend as much on our average transfer as other clubs do, after adjusting for differences in income (in proportional terms)? I think the answer would be no, but I would have to check.

Depends what other clubs I guess, but I'd dare say in such a statistic we would be amongst the least daring clubs in the top divisions of the top five leagues.

But that's not all. The problem with our income is largely due to our extreme difference between money made from transfers and money used for transfers. Very few clubs have such a big discrepancy as ours. Let me bring the example once again. Consider selling Kimmich to buy Carvajal, a player with more experience playing as a RB and is currently better than Kimmich. So we'd be strengthened with immediate effect. But that's not our policy. We would rather let Rafinha leave on a free transfer and pay good money for a backup for Kimmich. End result is that the team is weaker and the coffers emptier.
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