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2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

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How do you rate FC Bayern's summer transfer window?

Excellent, one of the best ever!
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5%
Great
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15%
Very good but not great
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Decent
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25%
Average
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5%
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No votes
Very bad but not terrible
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10%
Terrible
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5%
Catastrophical, one of the worst ever!
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:31 am

MUTU wrote:Players we sold since winning the treble, and their current market value.

13/14
Tymoshchuk (moved on a free, retired)
Riedmüller (moved on a free, no data on market value)
Petersen (sold for €3m, 4 years down the line valued €3.5m)
Can (sold for €5m, 4 years down the line valued €15m)
Gomez (sold for €15.5m, 4 years down the line valued €7.5m)
Gustavo (sold for €16m, 4 years down the line valued €14m)

Total sold: €39.5m
Current value 4 years later: €40m


14/15
Kroos (sold for €30m, 3 years down the line valued €70m)
Mandzukic (sold for €22m, 3 years down the line valued €20m)
Contento (sold for €1m, 3 years down the line valued €2m)
Schöpf (sold for €0.4m, 3 years down the line valued €7.5m)
Raeder (moved on a free, 3 years down the line valued €0.2m)

Total sold: €53.4m
Current value 3 years later: €99.7m


15/16
Shaqiri (sold for €15m, 2 years down the line valued €15m)
Schweinsteiger (sold for €9m, 2 years down the line valued €4.5m)
Dante (sold for €4.5m, 2 years down the line valued €2m)
Reina (sold for €2m, 2 years down the line valued €2m)
Kirchhoff (sold for €1m, 2 years down the line valued €3m)
Kurt (sold for €0.5m, 2 years down the line valued €0.4m)
Weiser (moved on a free, 2 years down the line valued €9m)
Pizarro (moved on a free, 2 years down the line valued €1m)

Total sold: €32m
Current value 2 years later: €36.9m


16/17
Götze (sold for €22m, 1 year down the line valued €20m)
Hojbjerg (sold for €15m, 1 year down the line valued €8m)
Rode (sold for €12m, 1 year down the line valued €8m)
Green (sold for €0.3m, 1 year down the line valued €0.7m)
Lucic (sold for an unknown number, 1 year down the line valued €0.25m, not including in stats)

Total sold: €49.3m
Current value 1 year later: €36.7m


This should put to rest those who think Bayern aren't a charity club when selling players. On the plus side last summer we did well. But I find it worrying that players we sold 4 years ago currently have more value than what we sold them for 4 years ago.

well done MUTU. Very interesting.
But to be fair Kroos had an expiring contract so I doubt that we could have asked more than that!
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:39 am

Yes, it seems that Kroos is the one who caused such a mismatch. Other than t hat, the numbers are relatively close.

However, it's worth noting that clubs tend to sell ABOVE the market value.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby #12 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:48 am

Yes... With those numbers... Anyone still thinking we're getting a "Granate"?
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:08 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Yes, it seems that Kroos is the one who caused such a mismatch. Other than t hat, the numbers are relatively close.

However, it's worth noting that clubs tend to sell ABOVE the market value.

Percentage wise, Kroos' isn't the worse we've done. Look at Schoepf for example, he's valued by TM at 1875% the price we sold him for 3 years ago. Emre Can is 300% the price we sold him for 4 years ago.
Kirchhoff is 300% the price we sold him for 2 years ago.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby #12 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:11 pm

Hey Mutu I'm the first to criticize, but I think that's nitpicking... All of those are not top team material so selling them was ok - and you never sell a player for what he WILL be worth, but for what he is (to you and the buyer at least...)
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:26 pm

#12 wrote:Hey Mutu I'm the first to criticize, but I think that's nitpicking... All of those are not top team material so selling them was ok - and you never sell a player for what he WILL be worth, but for what he is (to you and the buyer at least...)

Even you know that's bullshit.

Emre Can was resold for 240% the price we sold him for 11 months earlier (€7m profit over reselling a former Bayern player).
Schoepf was resold for 1250% the price we sold him for 1.5 years earlier (€4.6m profit over reselling a former Bayern player).
Shaqiri was resold for 113% the price we sold him for, technically a month earlier (€2m profit over reselling a former Bayern player).
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby #12 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:39 pm

"Even I"?

Well 13% is not really that much... You're right about the other two, but they became more valuable since they were playing more... Buying a player that never plays is more of a gamble than one who got regular playtime... So you gotta take into account that potential buyers don't want to increase that risk even more with a higher price... They would rather take another player instead - but we wanted to offload those... It's really basic economics, supply and demand...
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:00 pm

#12 wrote:"Even I"?

Well 13% is not really that much... You're right about the other two, but they became more valuable since they were playing more... Buying a player that never plays is more of a gamble than one who got regular playtime... So you gotta take into account that potential buyers don't want to increase that risk even more with a higher price... They would rather take another player instead - but we wanted to offload those... It's really basic economics, supply and demand...

Wow, this is a first. #12 defending the board. Some food for thought: we could've loaned the players out and then sold them. But we didn't. We have excuses for every player but fail to see what we could've done. Kroos had only a year left on his contract. Guess what, so does Alexis Sanchez and suddenly it's become OK to pay more than €30m for a player with a year left on his contract. Double standards, especially looking at both players' ages. Also, why do we wait until the last year before offering a contract extension? If it was up to me, if a player had 2 years left and I wanted to keep him I would offer him an extension and if he refuses I would sell him while he still had 2 years left.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby nm462272 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:01 pm

really the only transfer that stands out as "bad business" by Bayern was Kroos... and he was going into his last year of a contract...

also important to note that the most we spent in an offseason was before 12/13, due to the disappointment of the previous season... sound familiar?
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 2:26 pm

MUTU your facts are getting in the way of my unfounded opinions!
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby #12 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:05 pm

It's not a first...
Having 20 players on loan for - comparatively - small gain makes no real sense, this is Bayern Munich...

And you're completely neglecting the fact that the market gas changed significantly in those 3 years... While the PL gets THRICE the money per season, Bundesliga still gets about double... So what do you think those clubs do with the money? Invest in freehold options? Real estate? Pay the mortgages? Night out in downtown Manchester?

Kroos was bad business, yes, agreed... But yeah, I think 40-45m is ok, if you REALLY need/want the player and if there's high demand, even with just one year left on his contract... Again, we're talking imaginary value here... Was Lewandowski worth 30-40m when we wanted him? For us? Definitely... But we waited to get him for free, because we could and knew he'd come here... RM tried to swoop in IIRC and wanted to pay some 60m... You cannot even give us a percentage for that
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby aterford » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:17 pm

It's an interesting analysis, though I think you'll note that transfer fees as a whole have increased dramatically in the past few years. While of course the player's performance and development is a factor, at the same time we can't discount the fact that the market dictates price in the end. Take a look at the values/calculator from CIES Football Observatory (who I find to be much, MUCH more accurate than Transfermarkt, BTW) and you'll find that almost universally across the board values have seen about a 50% increase on average. This has been the trend for a couple of years now. Kroos skewed the figures in 14/15 so we are behind on value there, but in every other of the past few years we've actually sold ahead of market fluctuations - our sales are well within the increased fee you see due to inflation alone.
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby kingbayern » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:50 pm

Dont know if this is the thread but doesnt it seem like Draxler got much better, maybe in hindsight we should have signed him
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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:00 pm

Nah. Draxler is just average-good. Not much difference between him and Brandt


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Re: 2017/18 Generic Transfer Thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:03 pm

Never understood the obsession some people here have with Draxler....
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