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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby aterford » Tue May 16, 2017 3:39 pm

#12 wrote:You're kidding right?

"Faxen" is about the same as "shenanigans", so it's basically "they oughta stop the shenanigans"


That might make more sense then, as the spanish translation offered seemed to mean "cut out the silliness" or similar
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Roonzil » Tue May 16, 2017 7:49 pm

Point is: He may not have been born in Bavaria, but he sure embodies the Bayern mentality to the t.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Tue May 16, 2017 8:05 pm

#ThiagoRegista20172018

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby #12 » Tue May 16, 2017 8:33 pm

aterford wrote:
#12 wrote:You're kidding right?

"Faxen" is about the same as "shenanigans", so it's basically "they oughta stop the shenanigans"


That might make more sense then, as the spanish translation offered seemed to mean "cut out the silliness" or similar


Yes... There was a scene at 4:2 I think when Leipzig tried to ridicule us by playing with one touch for about a minute or so without any effective gain of space... That's what this is referring to...
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Sat May 20, 2017 10:27 am

PunkCapitalist wrote:Thiago isn't a creative player either. He provides the occasional thorough-ball and over the defense pass, but it's just that... Occasional. His forte is deep distribution and ball-retention by dribbling. He IS NOT an attacker.


I just wrote he has a league high through ball rate and CL top 5 key pass record. He's the most talented midfield attacker in the league as just published by the Bundesliga website. Sorry, you must be kidding.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sat May 20, 2017 3:50 pm

tflags wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Thiago isn't a creative player either. He provides the occasional thorough-ball and over the defense pass, but it's just that... Occasional. His forte is deep distribution and ball-retention by dribbling. He IS NOT an attacker.


I just wrote he has a league high through ball rate and CL top 5 key pass record. He's the most talented midfield attacker in the league as just published by the Bundesliga website. Sorry, you must be kidding.

Well T. I don't see it. I love Thiago, as you well know, but I don't think he's a creative midfielder. I think he is better suited to DLPM.

I don't know about the statistics, but what I see is that the team is failing in creating chances through the center of the pitch in advanced positions. He does provide fantastic through balls from deep, though.

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby nm462272 » Mon May 22, 2017 1:42 pm

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby MillaMjau » Tue May 23, 2017 6:19 pm

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Manchu » Fri May 26, 2017 5:00 am

tflags wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Thiago isn't a creative player either. He provides the occasional thorough-ball and over the defense pass, but it's just that... Occasional. His forte is deep distribution and ball-retention by dribbling. He IS NOT an attacker.


I just wrote he has a league high through ball rate and CL top 5 key pass record. He's the most talented midfield attacker in the league as just published by the Bundesliga website. Sorry, you must be kidding.

The number of key passes doesn't prove very much about a player. In fact, I would argue that it's one of the worst statistics out there because this is a key pass and this is also a key pass.

Moreover, I'm curious about what source told you that he was top 5 CL for key passes in the first place. Going by whoscored statistics, he's 13th for the total number of key passes in the CL and 30th for the number of key passes within 90 minutes once everyone who played less than 180 minutes is discounted.

The rate of through balls is a more significant statistic, but I don't think it necessarily means what you think it means. With our current setup and tendency to play possession while the other team sits back, the players who are best positioned to play through passes are often those who sit deep like Hummels, Boateng, and Thiago playing as Regista. Thus, I suspect that Thiago was racking up through passes in plays like this. Thus, Thiago's great ability to find through passes is not a reason to play him as attacking mid but instead a reason to play him as defensive mid.

Of course, the best way to examine Thiago's ability as an attacking mid is to look at what goals and assists he has from that position. This season, he's had 5 goals and 4 assists playing as attacking mid in 979 minutes of play in all competitions. Those numbers are rather good on the face of things, but they don't necessarily reveal that he should be playing as attacking mid once examined closer.

First, 2 of the goals and 1 of the assists came on setpieces. I see no reason why Thiago cannot take corners or get in the box to score when he's playing regista and not attacking mid.

Second, 2 of the assists came off of circumstances when we won the ball very far forward through high pressing. Although Thiago might improve our high press when he plays far forward as attacking mid, he didn't actually win the ball in either of these cases. Instead, someone else(Vidal in the home game against the energy drink company and Kimmich and Muller in the home game against Arsenal) won the play and played it to Thiago, who then played it to an open player sitting in a lot of space who scored. Although high pressing is a valuable tool to have, it isn't quite as useful against teams who aren't Arsenal(seriously, I'm not sure that Arsene Wenger has even figured out that a high press is a thing, much less devised tactics to counter it) and are instead much more press-resistant. Thus, these assists don't serve as any sort of powerful reason to play Thiago as attacking mid.

Two more of Thiago's goals came off of goal poaching. Although I have nothing against goalpoaching in general and in fact believe that it is a powerful tool for a team to have, we do have another player on this team who is better at goalpoaching from attacking mid along with many other valuable and unique skills.

That leaves only 1 goal and 1 assist that does not fall into the above three categorizes. Of these, the goal came off of Lewandowski's wonder assist against Arsenal, and the assist occurred when Thiago passed to Douglas Costa far outside the box who took a long shot and scored after a lucky deflection in the home DFB Pokal game against Woflsburg.

Nowhere here do Thiago's "unique creative abilities" show up. Nowhere does he display incredible vision or tactical awareness while playing attacking mid. Nowhere does he pull off a wonder goal or dribble several players before scoring. In fact, in my personal opinion, he displays better vision when playing deeper and is better able to use his ability to dribble in order to find space to make dangerous passes. That, combined with his defensive ability and instinct for possession, make him one of the best registas in the world, if not the best. However, I remain unconvinced of his ability as trequartista, and we need him anyways deep in order to help protect our backline when we're playing another top club anyways.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Fri May 26, 2017 5:17 am

Manchu wrote:
tflags wrote:
PunkCapitalist wrote:Thiago isn't a creative player either. He provides the occasional thorough-ball and over the defense pass, but it's just that... Occasional. His forte is deep distribution and ball-retention by dribbling. He IS NOT an attacker.


I just wrote he has a league high through ball rate and CL top 5 key pass record. He's the most talented midfield attacker in the league as just published by the Bundesliga website. Sorry, you must be kidding.

The number of key passes doesn't prove very much about a player. In fact, I would argue that it's one of the worst statistics out there because this is a key pass and this is also a key pass.

Moreover, I'm curious about what source told you that he was top 5 CL for key passes in the first place. Going by whoscored statistics, he's 13th for the total number of key passes in the CL and 30th for the number of key passes within 90 minutes once everyone who played less than 180 minutes is discounted.

The rate of through balls is a more significant statistic, but I don't think it necessarily means what you think it means. With our current setup and tendency to play possession while the other team sits back, the players who are best positioned to play through passes are often those who sit deep like Hummels, Boateng, and Thiago playing as Regista. Thus, I suspect that Thiago was racking up through passes in plays like this. Thus, Thiago's great ability to find through passes is not a reason to play him as attacking mid but instead a reason to play him as defensive mid.

Of course, the best way to examine Thiago's ability as an attacking mid is to look at what goals and assists he has from that position. This season, he's had 5 goals and 4 assists playing as attacking mid in 979 minutes of play in all competitions. Those numbers are rather good on the face of things, but they don't necessarily reveal that he should be playing as attacking mid once examined closer.

First, 2 of the goals and 1 of the assists came on setpieces. I see no reason why Thiago cannot take corners or get in the box to score when he's playing regista and not attacking mid.

Second, 2 of the assists came off of circumstances when we won the ball very far forward through high pressing. Although Thiago might improve our high press when he plays far forward as attacking mid, he didn't actually win the ball in either of these cases. Instead, someone else(Vidal in the home game against the energy drink company and Kimmich and Muller in the home game against Arsenal) won the play and played it to Thiago, who then played it to an open player sitting in a lot of space who scored. Although high pressing is a valuable tool to have, it isn't quite as useful against teams who aren't Arsenal(seriously, I'm not sure that Arsene Wenger has even figured out that a high press is a thing, much less devised tactics to counter it) and are instead much more press-resistant. Thus, these assists don't serve as any sort of powerful reason to play Thiago as attacking mid.

Two more of Thiago's goals came off of goal poaching. Although I have nothing against goalpoaching in general and in fact believe that it is a powerful tool for a team to have, we do have another player on this team who is better at goalpoaching from attacking mid along with many other valuable and unique skills.

That leaves only 1 goal and 1 assist that does not fall into the above three categorizes. Of these, the goal came off of Lewandowski's wonder assist against Arsenal, and the assist occurred when Thiago passed to Douglas Costa far outside the box who took a long shot and scored after a lucky deflection in the home DFB Pokal game against Woflsburg.

Nowhere here do Thiago's "unique creative abilities" show up. Nowhere does he display incredible vision or tactical awareness while playing attacking mid. Nowhere does he pull off a wonder goal or dribble several players before scoring. In fact, in my personal opinion, he displays better vision when playing deeper and is better able to use his ability to dribble in order to find space to make dangerous passes. That, combined with his defensive ability and instinct for possession, make him one of the best registas in the world, if not the best. However, I remain unconvinced of his ability as trequartista, and we need him anyways deep in order to help protect our backline when we're playing another top club anyways.

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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Fri May 26, 2017 7:14 pm

Manchu wrote:Nowhere here do Thiago's "unique creative abilities" show up. Nowhere does he display incredible vision or tactical awareness while playing attacking mid. Nowhere does he pull off a wonder goal or dribble several players before scoring.


I'm just curious. So basically by this line of thought the only ability an advanced playmaker must have (thus neglecting its own denomination since you said key passes weren't at all important and throughballs must primarily come -for this team and formation - from an advanced CB line) is to dribble past several players. Funny, there I was thinking he had, other than Dembele (from memory) one of the highest dribbling statistics in the league.

I mean, going behind the centrebacks' backs is basically non-existent in your analysis and dribbling is the ONLY way to position yourself favourably inside the box? I'm just curious.
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby tflags » Fri May 26, 2017 7:46 pm

Manchu wrote:Moreover, I'm curious about what source told you that he was top 5 CL for key passes in the first place.


Top 10 Key Passers, CL Group Stage last season:
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby Effenberg777 » Fri May 26, 2017 9:04 pm

tflags wrote:
Manchu wrote:Moreover, I'm curious about what source told you that he was top 5 CL for key passes in the first place.


Top 10 Key Passers, CL Group Stage last season:



Isn;t HULK at Shanghai ?
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby aterford » Sat May 27, 2017 7:28 am

Effenberg777 wrote:
tflags wrote:
Manchu wrote:Moreover, I'm curious about what source told you that he was top 5 CL for key passes in the first place.


Top 10 Key Passers, CL Group Stage last season:



Isn;t HULK at Shanghai ?


see bolded ^
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Re: Thiago Alcântara [Thiago Alcântara do Nascimento]

Postby zozon » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:19 am

Just came home after watching Thiago play (first time live) for Spain vs Macedonia (we lost 1-2, they were in their best XI). He was so-so 8)

Silva + Isco are :shock: , especially Isco 8)
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