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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby quaazi » Mon Jan 04, 2016 4:36 pm

Something doesn't really add up here. He was pretty much frozen out when we were crying out for wide players last season. Even Weiser got the nod (and was pretty decent at it). So let's say Hitzfeld is right and Pep doesn't talk to people and Kurt is a casualty of this. Then why the year-and-a-half loan option? Surely Ancelotti would re-evaluate the situation? Well, my money's on one of two - either he has already (Pep had a clear idea who he wanted to play when he signed on for the job for example) or Kurt simply didn't develop well enough, making this a sporting director decision.

It has the potential to bite us in the ass, for sure - no doubt Kurt will impress on his loan spell and leave on a pittance - but I feel that the shrewd addition of Coman has given the board assurances regarding this risk. Whatever, we'll find our in 18 months.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby bastos80 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 6:14 pm

From what I've heard Kurt wasn't even impressing playing in Regionalliga Süd.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby #12 » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:23 pm

bastos80 wrote:From what I've heard Kurt wasn't even impressing playing in Regionalliga Süd.


Yup... Neither from what I saw... Decent player, nothing more...
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MillaMjau » Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:29 pm

There has been some speculation in the media that this "extravagant helicopter flight" may have made things difficult for Kurt. :|
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:07 am

I don't like loans with option to buy, unless it's just giving them first preference. There's not much you can gain by it.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MoFattal » Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:25 am

I agree, but sometimes it is just a main requirement of the buying club. Plus, we do need to send him away in one way or another as there is no place for him in the squad. We don't have the upper hand in this case.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MUTU » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:23 am

TZ is reporting that Kurt will be having the medical at Hertha BSC today (Wednesday).
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MUTU » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:04 am

According to Kicker, it won't be a loan but a normal transfer to Hertha BSC. He is undergoing the medical today and then he will sign a contract until 30th June 2019 but there should be a buy-back clause included in the contract. The transfer fee is rumoured to be just under €1m. Everything should be concluded by tomorrow. [source]


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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MoFattal » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:21 am

A buy-back clause would be a good option for us, better than the loan with the option to buy deal. Even though, the buy back fee would probably be much higher than the current transfer fee (less than 1M), but it would still be worth it if he turns out to be the real deal.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MUTU » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:36 am

MoFattal wrote:A buy-back clause would be a good option for us, better than the loan with the option to buy deal. Even though, the buy back fee would probably be much higher than the current transfer fee (less than 1M), but it would still be worth it if he turns out to be the real deal.

Yes, it's better.

If he turns out to be the real deal:
- With a loan with buy-deal, Hertha would trigger the clause. The player then has to choose whether to play for Bayern or Hertha.
- With a transfer with buy-back deal, Bayern would trigger the clause. The player then has to choose whether to play for Bayern or Hertha.
Conclusion: draw (albeit a bit of a loss for Bayern money-wise, since the clause is higher than the transfer fee)

If he turns out to be crap:
- With a loan with buy-deal, Hertha will simply send him back or offer a lower amount than the clause. Bayern would either have to accept the lower amount or have to find another buyer.
- With a transfer with buy-back deal, Bayern would simply not trigger the clause and the player remains at Hertha.
Conclusion: win for Bayern.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby Badger » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:43 am

MUTU wrote:
MoFattal wrote:A buy-back clause would be a good option for us, better than the loan with the option to buy deal. Even though, the buy back fee would probably be much higher than the current transfer fee (less than 1M), but it would still be worth it if he turns out to be the real deal.

Yes, it's better.

If he turns out to be the real deal:
- With a loan with buy-deal, Hertha would trigger the clause. The player then has to choose whether to play for Bayern or Hertha.
- With a transfer with buy-back deal, Bayern would trigger the clause. The player then has to choose whether to play for Bayern or Hertha.
Conclusion: draw (albeit a bit of a loss for Bayern money-wise, since the clause is higher than the transfer fee)

If he turns out to be crap:
- With a loan with buy-deal, Hertha will simply send him back or offer a lower amount than the clause. Bayern would either have to accept the lower amount or have to find another buyer.
- With a transfer with buy-back deal, Bayern would simply not trigger the clause and the player remains at Hertha.
Conclusion: win for Bayern.


That’s a good analysis.

There is maybe also a possible danger of “Hummels syndrome”, where the player feels undervalued and wouldn’t return to Bayern under any circumstances.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MUTU » Wed Jan 06, 2016 10:55 am

Badger wrote:That’s a good analysis.

There is maybe also a possible danger of “Hummels syndrome”, where the player feels undervalued and wouldn’t return to Bayern under any circumstances.

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Yes, that's a possibility. But it doesn't matter whether he's on loan or transferred, he still has to choose between Bayern and Hertha if both clubs want him. In case of Hummels it was even worse since there was no buy clause in the loan contract, and they still got the man since he pushed for the transfer.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby DRvad14 » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:33 pm

didnt we pay lot more to get him from bmg ?
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby MUTU » Wed Jan 06, 2016 2:49 pm

DRvad14 wrote:didnt we pay lot more to get him from bmg ?

Not much more, €1.1m according to transfermarkt.
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Re: Sinan Kurt

Postby Bomber_der_Nation » Wed Jan 06, 2016 3:33 pm

Read somewhere that the buyback clause is 8 mil
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