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Postby MUTU » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:26 pm

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soccerkyle wrote:When he came on in the Milan game he was basically useless in the middfield


What do you expect when almost all of his Bayern time was injured, like Jeremies was, cmon you cant expect ANY player to bounce back from an injury not fully fit coming on a big game and start making hattricks left right and centre and when hes at full fitness and cant get a place in the starting 11, Roque was a fine striker I was always pleased with him, he did his best if he wants to move, then so be it, Im happy that he wore the clubs colors and scored good and decisive goals when had the chance when he was Elbers partner. Also the kid needs a new challange somethin to restart his career, hope he will do better in the future.

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He had his chance. He never took it. Also regarding "ANY" player to bounce back from lengthy injuries, in the past couple of years I can mention Deisler and Scholl who won man of the match on their return from injury.

Since he joined us, Santa Cruz has scored 29 goals in 151 matches. That's less than 0.2 goals per game. As a comparison, Zickler had a bigger share of injuries than Santa Cruz, yet had a better goals per game ratio. I'd be bewildered if you find any striker throughout all of Bayern's history who spent more than one season with us and had an inferior goals per game ratio.
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Postby SNAKE » Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:39 pm

Are you sure its just 29??? Both Deisler and Scholl are world class players, you cant expect Roque to be just like them, when he was fit he did good, sure he had bad times, but who doesnt?? As for History maybe Carsten Jancker had less goals for Bayern, just a guess not actuall facts.

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Postby MUTU » Sun Apr 22, 2007 4:01 pm

SNAKE wrote:Are you sure its just 29???


Well, the stats are just for Bundesliga matches, but it's not like he played any better in the German Cup or Champions League.
http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/santacruzroque/

SNAKE wrote:Both Deisler and Scholl are world class players, you cant expect Roque to be just like them


At least you agree that he's not got as much quality...

SNAKE wrote:As for History maybe Carsten Jancker had less goals for Bayern, just a guess not actuall facts.


Jancker had 48 goals out of 143 matches. That's almost double the goals per game ratio of Santa Cruz.
http://www.fussballdaten.de/spieler/janckercarsten/

I honestly doubt you'd find anyone worse, at least with ones who played for more than one season... cos Hashemian (who wasn't really given a chance) didn't score a single goal in the Bundesliga in his only season. But even Ali Daei had a much better goals per game ratio to Santa Cruz.
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Postby SNAKE » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:16 pm

I never said he was TOP quality, I did say that he DID have his good times, I wouldnt compare him (on goalscoring terms) to Makaay and Pizarro or Podolski, but I remember that he put some good performances with Bayern especially in 00/01. Roque was just 1 talented player when he came to Bayern I remember that Bayern said that he was a promising youngster, he progressed sometime he even got a regular starting berth, but with the injuries and lack of form he couldnt keep up. Not much of a goalscorer though I have to admit, I wasnt expecting these stats to be so low almost 5 per season........Oh well maybe its good that he will move on, maybe its best for both Bayern and Roque, any news about a replacement for him yet??????

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Postby MUTU » Sun Apr 22, 2007 7:42 pm

I'm positive that Bayern would benefit if he moves on, and probably so would he as well. No news about his replacement yet, but our #1 transfer target in attack now is Klose.
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Postby Paddy » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:51 pm

MUTU wrote:I'm positive that Bayern would benefit if he moves on, and probably so would he as well. No news about his replacement yet, but our #1 transfer target in attack now is Klose.


Why would he want to move to Bayern when Werder have a brighter present and future.
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Postby MUTU » Sun Apr 22, 2007 9:55 pm

Well, if Frings leaves Bremen and Klose moves to Bayern, what are the chances of Bremen being more successful than Bayern next season? True, they'd be playing in the Champions League, but probably not for more than 6 matches...
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Santa Cruz in Betis link

Postby charger256 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 1:35 pm

Real Betis are being linked with a move for Bayern Munich striker Roque Santa Cruz.

The want-away striker is seeking to leave Bayern and Betis are reported to be leading the chase for his signature.

The Paraguay international is keen to leave Bayern Munich this summer after failing to win a regular place in Ottmar Hitzfeld’s struggling outfit and, according to Spanish paper AS, Betis are ready to table a €3million offer for the 25-year-old.

Bayern face a massive squad overhaul as they look certain to miss out on a place in the UEFA Champions League following Saturday’s 2-0 loss at Stuttgart and Hitzfeld has already hinted that he is ready to grant Santa Cruz’s wish to leave the Allianz-Arena this summer after an eight-year spell.

Meanwhile, Betis midfielder Arzu is set to miss the rest of the season through injury.

Arzu picked up an ankle injury in the weekend draw with Espanyol and Betis fear the player will be sidelined for the final few weeks of the campaign.
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Postby diegis » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:12 pm

La Roma su Santa Cruz!23/4/2007 - 15:56
(ROMA) - I giallorossi sono molto interessati al centravanti del Bayern Monaco Roque Santa Cruz. Santa Cruz è un giocatore dalle grandi doti fisiche e con un ottima tecnica. L'arrivo del centravanti paraguaiano deve sopperire alla quasi sicura partenza di Tavano che non è riuscito a guadagnarsi la riconferma nella capitale e tornerà a Valencia. L'operazione Santa Cruz ha un prezzo che si aggira intorno agli 8 milioni di euro escluso l'ingaggio.

source: calciomercatoweb.it

Cant believe Roma wants such a crap player but anyways im happy he has offers and he will leave :D
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Postby MUTU » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:25 pm

Great, thanks :) I don't believe they'd offer 8 million euros for him though!
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Postby diegis » Mon Apr 23, 2007 5:35 pm

MUTU wrote:Great, thanks :) I don't believe they'd offer 8 million euros for him though!

me neither maybe around4-5 :)

Also Beckenbauer said Bayern will sign 7-8 new players in summer.(good news, the summer transfer campaign will be interesting :))

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Postby iplayfm2007 » Mon Apr 23, 2007 7:10 pm

i think santa cruz isn't a good player and fc bayern needs at least 2 good strikers
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Postby MUTU » Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:18 pm

Reports from England claim that Tottenham Hotspur are considering a 2 million sterling bid for Santa Cruz.
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Postby fanOfBayern » Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:09 pm

Roma asked Bayern to name a price for Santa...
I knew this is going to happen..
Totti LOOOVES Santa Cruz...LOL...

Lets sell him to Roma..:)
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Postby BayernJ » Wed May 16, 2007 4:08 pm

Roque Santa Cruz On The Way To Real Betis

It appears that Bayern Munich forward Roque Santa Cruz is on his way to Spain's Primera Liga.

According to a report in Deutsches Sport-Fernsehen (DSF), the 25 year old Paraguayan has told them he will move to Real Betis at the end of the season.

The fact that he was leaving Bayern was no secret, but his destination was as yet unknown.

Santa Cruz has started 25 games for Bayern this season, but has only scored one goal.

He has also made 7 Champions’ League appearances, again with one goal.

The fee involved, and the length of his contract are not known yet.

Santa Cruz joined Bayern in 1999 from Olympia Asuncion for DM 10 million. In eight seasons at Bayern he has made 154 appearances scoring 30 goals.
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