Let's be realistic the home defeat against Real Madrid broke the glass, we just can't accept that miserable performance and defeat from our one and only big opponent in the CL, we have history with them pal, it's always tight even if it's a blowout scoreboard it was always fire in the 2nd game, we have played against Real Madrid 22 times and we have more wins more goals, in the knock out phase we're tied five qualifications for each one but they NEVER won at Munich, never not even a single draw and they are coming here smashing us like we're nothing? With the defensive line starting to circle of mid... Sorry I can't have that.
There many factors that Guardiola isn't so much appreciated among Bayern fans, he is a fantastic coach but a stubborn one, we got humiliated two times against the two big opponents of ours in Europe while we eliminated them when we faced them before, his tactical overhaul didn't work = his fault, I can't help it as much as I'd like to but he didn't help the team when it mattered the most, mind that he was the highest-paid coach in the world maybe(Europe sure) you're weak with many injuries against a hot/in form Barcelona and his plan was to start with 3 defenders, high pressing against MSN while Rafinha was one of the defenders in the first 20min. if it wasn't for Neuer... don't even want to think about it...
He is a great tactician when it comes to offense, maybe the best but you need to work on the small details in the defensive area too when you coach at the absolute highest level, period! Is a coincidence that his teams are always(!) conceding embarrassing goals? It's a coincidence that quality players are having so many brain-farts and individual errors? No man it's not a coincidence it's too much data and less defensive tactics.
Firefox1234 wrote:I agree the 3 man defense vs Barca was risk butting was working for more than 2/3 of the match with Barca scoring at 77', 80', 90'+4.
shpati_L1 wrote:Firefox1234 wrote:I agree the 3 man defense vs Barca was risk butting was working for more than 2/3 of the match with Barca scoring at 77', 80', 90'+4.
If I remember correctly Pep changed to a 4 at the back ten minutes in after watching Suarez get 1 vs 1 with Neuer every single Barca action.
Still, I don't want to see a Bayern with that kind of defensive strategy ever again.
Firefox1234 wrote:Pep gets waaaaaaay too much stick for the fixtures vs Barca and R.Madrid...that second leg vs R.Madrid was a lot of bad luck in my opinion. Who here could have guessed Ramos would score two headers? Is it Pep's fault that Bayern have been shitty at set pieces? Is it Pep's fault Robbery couldn't make it for the Nou Camp? People really have short memories of those two matches especially the away leg at the Nou Camp, that game was close until Barca scored garbage time goals after Bayern lost their composure. If Lewa(who was having a bad season that year) and Muller put those two early chances how different would it be if we went back to the Allianz with two away goals? Is it Pep's fault Muller missed his PK to send us to the final past A.Madrid?
I know this is all "what ifs" but hearing people talk about those fixtures would make someone think we were played off the pitch. The pieces didn't fall our way those times that football, shit happens! I kno as a manager you take all the credit and all the blame but some of the criticism makes me feel like we lost to some lower league side and David Moyes was the manager.
The Spanish giants are world class and no game vs them is a gimme, even Muller said in an interview its 50/50 when they play those sides. There is a good reason the board was keen on keeping here. The one knock I have against Pep is we lost our defensive discipline, those goals we conceded vs Juve and vs A.Madrid in the away leg were disgraceful but overall I enjoyed Pep's time here...
Firefox1234 wrote:The home leg vs R.Madrid was unacceptable but those two early headers were debilitating...it was a big ask for the team to claw there way back especially since we didn't score an away goal. In my opinion that debacle was 80% on the players and obviously Pep would take the blame....
#12 wrote: We fail to score at Madrid? Ancelotti will get shit too!
aterford wrote:#12 wrote: We fail to score at Madrid? Ancelotti will get shit too!
I can already guarantee you if we lose the tie to Madrid you will hear "Pep destroyed Bayern, that's why Carlo didn't win" or some other form of placing the blame on Pep more than you will hear blame directed towards Carlo.
In the eyes of many here, Pep can do no right and anyone who's not-Pep (C.A.) can do no wrong.
I love Carlo, but you'd be kidding yourself if you honestly think people would criticize an Ancelotti CL elimination the same way they did towards Pep.
#12 wrote:Nah I would (we're beating them! So it's just hypothetical! ) be furious as well seeing as they're not really in good form or playing a good season...
And Guardiola didn't "destroy" Bayern, that's shit! We still stand proud!
What he did though was "waste away" (he was not unsuccessful, but he missed at least one CL to be a success...) 3 years of time with the strongest squad in club history at his disposal...
Thiagoalcantara wrote:Bundesliga isn't a feat.
It's the same price or less as winning ligue 1 or serie a. Bayern playing the worse football in like 5 years is already winning the league and more than 5 games ahead of Dortmund.
You can take Thiago, alaba, Lewandowski, Robben, Ribery, 2 cbs and even vidal and bayern would still win the league with
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