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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:50 pm

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fashiondesign_guru wrote:He's gotta do a lot of house cleaning and training there. He's basically playing with 5 Dante's in his backline and defensive midfield at the moment. You gotta be careful what you wish for..


Are you talking about the Jupp's Dante or Pep's Dante?

In 2013-2014 with Dante at the heart the defense, Bayern broke records for fewest goals conceded and most clean sheets in a Bundesliga season during their treble-winning campaign.


Yes. And he closed it with a penalty on Reus. He wasn't perfect.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:01 pm

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fashiondesign_guru wrote:He's gotta do a lot of house cleaning and training there. He's basically playing with 5 Dante's in his backline and defensive midfield at the moment. You gotta be careful what you wish for..


Are you talking about the Jupp's Dante or Pep's Dante?

In 2013-2014 with Dante at the heart the defense, Bayern broke records for fewest goals conceded and most clean sheets in a Bundesliga season during their treble-winning campaign.


Yes. And he closed it with a penalty on Reus. He wasn't perfect.

Wasnt perfect obviously but he was great. Using him as an example of a bad player is not justified.

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:06 pm

Best 5 millions ever spent... can't say the same thing about Stones or Pep.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Coman » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:15 pm

He was good in Jupp System where CB are really protected by a double pivot of 2 amazing CB. Even Van Buyten looked world class in 2012-13 when he played (Arsenal - Barcelona..)

In Pep system we saw more of his default.

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:20 pm

The CIES Football Observatory, best central defenders 2013:

1. Giorgio Chiellini
2. Dante
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Jorge » Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:22 pm

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Yes. And he closed it with a penalty on Reus. He wasn't perfect.


There is only one person associated with Football who is perfect: Pep Guardiola :oops:
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:47 pm

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Yes. And he closed it with a penalty on Reus. He wasn't perfect.


There is only one person associated with Football who is perfect: Pep Guardiola :oops:


Sure. That of course coming from the same person who said he foresaw problems with a coach who won three championships out of three. Now I understand the :oops: face.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Sun Dec 11, 2016 7:55 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:Wasnt perfect obviously but he was great. Using him as an example of a bad player is not justified.

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Everyone loved Dante. But more than three coaches thought he wasn't performing as Gladbach or most of 2013. Jorge's inmature rebuttal is blindsided. We was obviously not up to par at later years. Pinning his situation on one coach (Jesus Christ the guy lost 1-7 at home in his most important game ever and caused a penalty in the second) is simply biased.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:00 pm

Surely that was Dante and not the nonexistent Brazil midfield.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:10 pm

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PunkCapitalist wrote:Wasnt perfect obviously but he was great. Using him as an example of a bad player is not justified.

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Everyone loved Dante. But more than three coaches thought he wasn't performing as Gladbach or most of 2013. Jorge's inmature rebuttal is blindsided. We was obviously not up to par at later years. Pinning his situation on one coach (Jesus Christ the guy lost 1-7 at home in his most important game ever and caused a penalty in the second) is simply biased.

Dude... David Luis, Marcelo, Fernandinho were far worst. Dante wasnt to blame for 1-7. He needs a system that fits him, thats clear, but many players do.

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:12 pm

JANCKER wrote:Surely that was Dante and not the nonexistent Brazil midfield.


Of course not. The seven goals were caused by the midfielders. I mean, it is not like Kroos and Khedira spent the night pressing the CBs right? :P

Whichever the case was, he was a part of the loss and he never recovered. Me and Mo used to call the guy the wall in 2013. He wasn't anywhere near that solid after the Cup. He failed at Brazil and Wolfsburg. Again, hard as it is, he failed under different systems after hitting 30 from what I remember.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:15 pm

We have this defender who not only conceded 7 but managed to score one in his own goal... and still considered WC. If we shall start judging defenders by thrashings.

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Piquenbauer had to score one for Bayern. :P

If anything failed for Brazil, it was the midfield.

The Bayern crew used to kill a lot of defenders, Dante is just one of many on the list.

Almost all our players had a great WC, even Green. :P Compare it to the Euro.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:51 pm

PunkCapitalist wrote:David Luis, Marcelo, Fernandinho were far worst.


I'd add Gustavo there too... he is a magnet for thrashings. I still remember that Pokal final thrashing from BVB.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Jorge » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:22 pm

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Sure. That of course coming from the same person who said he foresaw problems with a coach who won three championships out of three. Now I understand the :oops: face.


I painfully acknowledge that my immaturity blindsided me and Pep Guardiola proved me wrong:
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:31 pm

Guys can we move on? We follow bayern cause we love the club. What is all this lust for an individual? Guardiola was another coach like others before him.
I am 100% sure that many don't stand him just because all the fanboysm he gets...

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