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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:47 pm

Unlike most of you, I'm a Heynckes fan. So for me it is either everything or nothing at all. I don't like compromises. :lol:
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby bastos80 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:49 pm

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pyrasur wrote:I don't view it as a failure not to win the Champions League in a year. However, looking at a time frame of three years, I think even Pep will agree his goal was to bring in the CL at least once during that time. He revolutionized out play, but missing out on CL would be a disappointment.


There is a difference between failure and disappointment.
Let's say he wins 3 Bundesliga titles and 2 cups while revolutionizing our play, like you say. Hardly a failure.
That would be just populist bullshit.

You forget most of us are foreign fans who tend to value the Champions League more than German fans and the domestic competitions far less. It's different when you're German because everybody around you cares about the Bundesliga, but it's not the same outside Germany. Therefore most foreign fans don't value the Bundesliga anywhere close to the German fans.


That's not Pep's fault...
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby MUTU » Sun Jan 03, 2016 4:42 pm

It's not but it explains why we feel like it is a failure for us if he doesn't win the Champions League. Or at least reach the final.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:12 pm

Failure because it was our best squad ever and it couldn't reach higher than Magath's. 3 years of a golden generation 'wasted' only on domestic success, that's irreversible... Our European rivals couldn't wish for a different outcome. It will get only harder to win it again. All he managed to do is make this league look an amateur league, confirmed the one horse title it had instead of getting us international recognition.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby RAJBAYERN » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:16 pm

MUTU wrote:It's not but it explains why we feel like it is a failure for us if he doesn't win the Champions League. Or at least reach the final.


The germans will feel the same too. I watch an interview developed in munich to bayern fans, after the 0-3 against barcelona, and the germans were very furious about the performance.

We all love the bundesliga and the pokal, hate to see other team beating us in Germany, but champions league is the major goal in all the fans...

If there is a fan who prefer bundesliga, instead of champions league, then he is lost in the reality.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:20 pm

The "golden generation" ended in 2013-2014. Robbery was already unreliable because of injuries, Schweinsteiger was past his physical prime (despite the WC, which seems to have been one last push aka a swan song), Javi permainjured, Dante couldn't cope with the new defensive system, etc. Truth is Schweini and Robbery were the core of the treble team and they lost it or were unreliable after it. Doesn't mean good times are over, far from it. We have enough young players who are yet to reach peak or are very near their peak now (Boa, Badstuber, Thiago, Costa would be the earlier and Thomas, Lewy the latter, while we have other players with boundless potential aka Coman and specially ALABA). A second "golden generation" can very well be at bay, but my point is it is a diferent generation (there is of course a lot of overlap, but the core of the team is different).

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby RAJBAYERN » Sun Jan 03, 2016 5:20 pm

JANCKER wrote:Failure because it was our best squad ever and it couldn't reach higher than Magath's. 3 years of a golden generation 'wasted' only on domestic success, that's irreversible... Our European rivals couldn't wish for a different outcome. It will get only harder to win it again. All he managed to do is make this league look an amateur league, confirmed the one horse title it had instead of getting us international recognition.


And thats why I mention Magath, because if we look the quality of the squad in Bayern to the rest of germans clubs, it is clear that we dont need a Pep or Ancelloti for win the league.

The board is making a huge sacrifice for brings world class coaches for success in the international tournaments.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Sun Jan 03, 2016 6:19 pm

tflags wrote:Unlike most of you, I'm a Heynckes fan. So for me it is either everything or nothing at all. I don't like compromises. :lol:


No, you're a fan of Bayern **** Munich! ;)
That'S what iot is: we want to win everything ALWAYS! WE mostly fail, but we still do...

Also, a CL is woth WAY less without domestic success IMHO... Meisterschaft is the foundation to enjoy a CL success (also, we never won it when we didn't win Bundesliga - back in 74-76 ist was another competition...)

Also, I like the metaphor of revolutionizing our game... Because, as a historian, let me assure you: attempted revolutions fail - and it's never a real revolution unless it's successful...! ;)
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby ottackon » Tue Jan 05, 2016 1:04 am

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby quaazi » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:19 pm

Basically he said he wants a new challenge in the Premier League. Looks like a switch to Man City is as done as it can be now. It's an interesting choice no doubt - I'd love to have a shot at sticking De Bruyne, Sterling and David Silva into one coherent lineup too. But everything neyond their attacking midfield is either past its expiry date or just not up to scratch. It's a project alright - no way he'll last more than three seasons there either.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby MUTU » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:27 pm

I still wouldn't rule out a move to Man United just yet. He has a history of following in the steps of Louis van Gaal after all.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby tflags » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:35 pm

He said he saw himself coaching at Old Trafford once but then again the money flowing through the other side of town is simply overwhelming for any type of project. That youth setup is quite incredible as well.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:50 pm

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby fashiondesign_guru » Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:05 pm

JANCKER wrote:Failure because it was our best squad ever and it couldn't reach higher than Magath's. 3 years of a golden generation 'wasted' only on domestic success, that's irreversible... Our European rivals couldn't wish for a different outcome. It will get only harder to win it again. All he managed to do is make this league look an amateur league, confirmed the one horse title it had instead of getting us international recognition.


Want some popcorn with that salt?

Unlike Bayern being considered a top 2 team in the world today (along with Barcelona), Magaths Bayern was an irrelevant team in international football and had even less presence than or as much presence as Turkish teams in Europe during those years, and that says a lot.

That golden generation has ended in 2013 just as Punk Capitalist has said, with the physical decline of Robbery, Schweinsteiger and Martinez. Guardiola has been quietly transforming an aging team, which has finally become non-dependent on Robbery, and will leave a nicely running engine to Ancelotti, and so far he has done keeping Bayern at the top.

The club wanted to extend his contract, but I understand he wants to move to another challenge as he's young and wants to experience new things. He's not a Bayern fan, professionals aren't sentimental and they don't have to be loyal to a club for ever. He's done a good job.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Tue Jan 05, 2016 5:07 pm

MUTU wrote:I still wouldn't rule out a move to Man United just yet. He has a history of following in the steps of Louis van Gaal after all.


At least we would be talking about a real club then... Somewhat...

fashiondesign_guru wrote:The club wanted to extend his contract, but I understand he wants to move to another challenge as he's young and wants to experience new things. He's not a Bayern fan, professionals aren't sentimental and they don't have to be loyal to a club for ever. He's done a good job.


Yeah, quite the challenge, to spend a truckload full of money, and then the next one... :P
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