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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:08 pm

That'a the thing - I'm not anti-Pep actually - I really like the guy - I just keep losing hope he will change according to bad experience in former games... If he could do that I'd be glad if he extended...
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Firefox1234 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:41 pm

Oh then were a lot more in common than I thought.Every season I hope Pep can prove all the nay sayers wrong but sadly it is yet to happen. I genuinely thought last season was the big chance but the late season injuries really crippled the team when coming up against top opposition. I would have liked to see Alaba instead of Rafihna and Bernat marking Messi in that 3 man back line and I don't even have to mention how big Robbery could have been for us. The worst part about the loss to Barca was that I felt it was very much winnable, neither side looked unbeatable in my opinion.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby FCB general » Mon Aug 10, 2015 10:48 pm

The worst thing was after 1:0 at Camp Nou to run for equalizer after you were defending the whole time until that goal. That was his greatest mistake and he blew all chances after that. We completely collapsed instead of keeping these 1:0 with the same approach we played through the most of the match. That was his real failure. He slaved to his ego, philosophy, the devil simply couldn't leave him alone for the last 16 minutes. #-o
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Firefox1234 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:26 pm

This I fully agree with! A 1-0 at Munich would have been much easier to manage....
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby albanian7 » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:33 pm

The funny thing is, Pep pulled a super catenaccio against Dortmund a few weeks before that. Couldn't we play defensively for 14 damn minutes after the first goal?
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby FCB general » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:39 pm

It's a completely another perspective, unlike 3:0. We got relegated after 3:0 just as Barcelona were done after 4:0 at München in 2013. All these stories to catch 3:0... Give me a fúcking break! The most stupid thing no matter how football can be incredible(Deportivo 2004, Liverpool 2005, etc), but it's not incredible, amazing(or I don't know what) for Bayern and it's never been.
1:0 and 3:0 one or two weeks later in München... Two different worlds and faces ahead of the 2nd leg. We wouldn't have to rush and think about big deficit, we would have our crowd and fans on our side like always in the biggest and the toughest times for our club, but surely we wouldn't play like we played the 2nd leg which ended 3:2 for us, ie total score 5:3. :|



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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby pyrasur » Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:56 pm

Are we doing this again? I love coming back to see several pages of unread essays. :)
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Firefox1234 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:11 am

pyrasur wrote:Are we doing this again? I love coming back to see several pages of unread essays. :)


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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby RedQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:22 am

#12 wrote:That'a the thing - I'm not anti-Pep actually - I really like the guy -

Really? I used to like him when he arrived... I was quite taken with the idea of him taking over. But many things that have been happening have caused me reservations... I can't take his exaggerated praises of players serious anymore, his comments about the unbeatable Messi etc. have annoyed me to no end, then there's his stubbornness with the defensive approach, his favoritisms among the players, the liberties he's taking in the coaching zone (Bibiana Steinhaus being just one example). His political campaign concerning the independence of Catalonia - I can't help but wonder if he's ever talked to his friend Sala-I-Martin about the economic consequences for Catalonia if they lost the priviledges of the EU common market, had a currency of their own all of a sudden... it would be disastrous. It is beyond naive and I feel that in a strange way it resembles his football philosophy. It all seems to be thought out at the academic desk, disregarding half the real world consequences. He's certainly a charismatic personality, but on a closer look he seems to be living in a world of his own, and can't look much beyond it.

I just keep losing hope he will change according to bad experience in former games... If he could do that I'd be glad if he extended...

On that I agree... if only because I still don't know who I'd trust to do better (I could think of a couple who would do just as well IMO, but doing just as well won't get us any further).
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:18 am

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#12 wrote:That'a the thing - I'm not anti-Pep actually - I really like the guy -

Really? I used to like him when he arrived... I was quite taken with the idea of him taking over. But many things that have been happening have caused me reservations... I can't take his exaggerated praises of players serious anymore, his comments about the unbeatable Messi etc. have annoyed me to no end, then there's his stubbornness with the defensive approach, his favoritisms among the players, the liberties he's taking in the coaching zone (Bibiana Steinhaus being just one example). His political campaign concerning the independence of Catalonia - I can't help but wonder if he's ever talked to his friend Sala-I-Martin about the economic consequences for Catalonia if they lost the priviledges of the EU common market, had a currency of their own all of a sudden... it would be disastrous. It is beyond naive and I feel that in a strange way it resembles his football philosophy. It all seems to be thought out at the academic desk, disregarding half the real world consequences. He's certainly a charismatic personality, but on a closer look he seems to be living in a world of his own, and can't look much beyond it.

I just keep losing hope he will change according to bad experience in former games... If he could do that I'd be glad if he extended...

On that I agree... if only because I still don't know who I'd trust to do better (I could think of a couple who would do just as well IMO, but doing just as well won't get us any further).

I agree with your first part actually in almost everything apart his Political and Nationalistic views...he has all the rights to express them. Why not?
I too was very looking forward when I saw the news of that he was coming to Bayern. It was like a victory over all the other major eur leagues... Esp the EPL and serieA.
But I confess the first game vs BVB super Cup 2013 changed all that. Then the game vs chelsea changed my mood a bit. But it was only for a couple of weeks

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby endrity » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:23 am

I honestly couldn't care less about his political views.

Just take Alonso out of the damn line up and put Alaba and Lahm where they belong, in a 4-man defense. Please!
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby JANCKER » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:27 am

What she meant to say was that he is selfish but hey eff globalization. :P
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby RedQueen » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:15 am

ramsej84 wrote:I agree with your first part actually in almost everything apart his Political and Nationalistic views...he has all the rights to express them. Why not?

Of course he's got every right to express them. And people have every right to form an opinion about them :wink: ...
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby albanian7 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:10 am

I don't care if he's homophobic or a Catalunia independence supporter (I know I am) or a cat lover (I am not, a cat tried to kill me once) or if he likes porn or if he's bulimic or whatever

As long as Xabi is out of the lineup, Lahm + Alaba play as proper fullbacks and he prepares the team to win, not to invent new formations and tricks that lead to 4-0, 4-1 and 3-0 losses, he can do whatever he wants in his free time - Catalunia independence, cats, porn, bulimia, whatever
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:00 pm

albanian7 wrote:a cat tried to kill me once


that sounds... intriguing... :P

albanian7 wrote:if he likes porn


yeah, as if you wouldn't... :P :P :D


RedQueen wrote:Really? I used to like him when he arrived... I was quite taken with the idea of him taking over. But many things that have been happening have caused me reservations... I can't take his exaggerated praises of players serious anymore, his comments about the unbeatable Messi etc. have annoyed me to no end, then there's his stubbornness with the defensive approach, his favoritisms among the players, the liberties he's taking in the coaching zone (Bibiana Steinhaus being just one example). His political campaign concerning the independence of Catalonia - I can't help but wonder if he's ever talked to his friend Sala-I-Martin about the economic consequences for Catalonia if they lost the priviledges of the EU common market, had a currency of their own all of a sudden... it would be disastrous. It is beyond naive and I feel that in a strange way it resembles his football philosophy. It all seems to be thought out at the academic desk, disregarding half the real world consequences. He's certainly a charismatic personality, but on a closer look he seems to be living in a world of his own, and can't look much beyond it.


OK, I realize I need to be much more disambiguous... :D
I meant I like him as a person - as a coach: he still has a lot to learn, I can basically agree with everything you said... Gotta admit though, I'm not so sure about a new coach as well... They all have their flaws... For example, maybe Klopp would win more against better opponents, but maybe - as with Dortmund - lose more points to weaker teams...
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