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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby FCB general » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:19 pm

I guess we are after that once again, but situation with Martinez recovery is complicated once again. Bayern can't and won't rush this time, as they won't with Ribery, either.

But there are enough combinations to play until these guys return to fooball, especially Martinez.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:39 pm

Hmm... Don't know... Vidal is actually more offensive... Even then, Guardiola sees Martinez as a defender... Leaves us with Alonso... God, please no! :(
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby endrity » Tue Jul 21, 2015 2:02 pm

Then again, this raises a question of how small the margin of errors for this "system" of his are. If you absolutely need Martinez, or if you need defenders that are faster than Boateng (where are these guys anyway?), or else you get spanked by humiliating results, that maybe it's not such a great system to begin with.

It simply can not be the case that a team will go from being rolled over by Barca and Real to world's best because of one player. Well I guess maybe Messi makes that much of a difference, but not a player like Martinez, and I say that as a big fan of what Javi-Basti achieved in 2013.

Let us not forget that we beat Juve in 2013 without Javi and we beat Barca without Mandzukic. These two were often mentioned as a great addition to our team that greatly improved our pressing, and they did. But even lesser players still played their part in a great system. That is a sign of a great coaching job.

If some of you are expecting Javi or Badsturber to simply turn our defense into a counterattack-free zone while still playing that ridiculous high line, I think you are in for a surprise.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby ottackon » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:11 am

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby Shan-E-Rehman » Thu Jul 23, 2015 11:19 am

I have a strong feeling Pep isnt staying. I mean Rummenigge was so confident and calm earlier that he would discuss the contract extension. Now he isnt. *Our World would not fall apart*
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby bastos80 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:13 pm

#12 wrote:Hmm... Don't know... Vidal is actually more offensive... Even then, Guardiola sees Martinez as a defender... Leaves us with Alonso... God, please no! :(



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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:50 pm

bastos80 wrote:Lahm.


Lahm lacks phisicality to play as #6... He's decent in #8 if absolutely needed, but that's it...
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby PunkCapitalist » Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:57 pm

#12 wrote:
bastos80 wrote:Lahm.


Lahm lacks phisicality to play as #6... He's decent in #8 if absolutely needed, but that's it...

Nah. He's actually good there, but not WC, IMHO. His clean tackling skills and incapacity to lose the ball make a good #6 vs counters.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:19 pm

That's what I meant: You can play him there, but not regularly...
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby albanian7 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:31 pm

#12 wrote:
bastos80 wrote:Lahm.


Lahm lacks phisicality to play as #6... He's decent in #8 if absolutely needed, but that's it...


Lahm is better at the #6 than at the #8
He lacks physicality, but Alonso doesn't lack it?
Lahm is still faster than Alonso
One of the best tackle
Almost mistake-proof
Oh, and he was one of the best fullbacks around when the rest of defenders were 2m and 90kg
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby #12 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 9:49 pm

I never said he was worse than Alonso... ;)
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby albanian7 » Thu Jul 23, 2015 10:01 pm

My bad. I thought you were saying you'd rather play Alonso at the #6 than Lahm
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby endrity » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:09 am

Actually if he is standing still, Alonso is a superb tackler, one of the best. The problem with him begins when he has to move around. Lahm is alright, but then his small size doesn't help him too much. Other smaller #6 have had great success in football (Makelele, Gattuso, Jeremis) but they were built like pitbulls, with extremely low center of gravity and couldn't be moved easily. Lahm doesn't have that.

But Lahm's main problem as #6 I think is quite simply tactical. He does not have outstanding vision or make impeccable decisions (Scweini, Xavi, Pirlo, Xabi do). Usually he plays simple passes. He also doesn't have a lot of skill to keep the ball in tight areas (like Thiago, Gundogan, Kroos, Verratti). All of these are the qualities that make a great midfielder and Alonso still posses some of them, even on his last legs.

I actually agree that Lahm strikes me as a better decision maker up field, as an 8 or 10. Given space to run with the ball he actually picks up runners quite well.
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Re: Pep Guardiola [Josep Guardiola i Sala]

Postby albanian7 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:30 am

Yeah, but on the other, Lahm almost never crumbles under pressure. When the oppossibg team presses Alonso, that's a real problem. He had that problem in Liverpool, he had that problem in Real (check the CL SF in 2013) and he still has that problem. His long balls are unreal and he's maybe the most experienced midfielder ATM, but that's nullified when he loses the ball so often and the other team can counter-attack
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