FCB general wrote:The worst thing is when people there also started to call Rummenigge an asshole, bitch, slave, garbage, etc.
That's very bad for Kalle.
MUTU wrote:I really don't understand the talk of Bayern going 'international' and losing their identity.
German players who left under Pep:
German player additions under Pep:
- Green (promoted)
- Gaudino (promoted)
So 8 departures, 8 additions. One of the departures (Contento) would rather play for Italy than Germany.
Out of the departures, Contento and Schweinsteiger are Bavarian.
Out of the additions, Götze is Bavarian while Green has been living in Bavaria since he was two years old.
endrity wrote:It seems silly to me to ask for fans to "provide solutions", as that is not what fans anywhere do.
Just like voters don't "provide solutions" but go and vote regularly to show whether they like the direction the country is taking, so do fans in regards to their clubs. At time fan movements have been bad and hurt the club, at times, like for example Dortmund's case, if it wasn't for the fans the club might have died. But questioning whether the fans have a right to voice their opinion, in a membership-based club like Bayern moreso, seems incredibly silly to me.
Ultimately the question is this: Was the 2013 team that blew apart the rest of the Europe and is still considered as one of the best single-season teams to ever play on the decline or not?
I tend to believe that it wasn't at all, in fact it had reached an almost perfect blend of skill, speed, athleticism, youth and experience, that no matter how much money you spend can very rarely be achieved. And when you have such a team, you do very few things to mess around with it. Guardiola has done the opposite and has been rewarded with two humiliating defeats in the CL. Utterly humiliating! Shameful, disgusting defeats, which have left deep scars for the players and fans!
When you take such risks and you achieve these awful results, you better believe the fans are coming after you and with very good reason too. It would be deeply troubling to me if the fans actually didn't vent their frustration in such a case.
nm462272 wrote:Also, strangely enough, it's always the international fans that bemoan a "loss of identity"... you never hear it in Munich.
nm462272 wrote:... some people won't listen to the facts, no matter how glaring they are
pyrasur wrote:Lol. I never said that was the story of Bayern Munich. I said that's the story of a team that took its successful gegenpressing style and tried to keep doing it forever. I'm showing why 2013 Bayern would have been beaten eventually, the same way the world thought how 2011 Barcelona would live forever. In any case you are only proving my point that things happened to BVB whether they wanted them to or not.
The wheels come off eventually one way or the other, and in a game where everyone is trying to get every little advantage you can, losing that little bit makes a big difference. Eventually a key player will be injuried, like Messi was in 2013 or Ribery and Robben were for us. Or something else will happen. Don't get salty about it
RedQueen wrote:nm462272 wrote:Also, strangely enough, it's always the international fans that bemoan a "loss of identity"... you never hear it in Munich.nm462272 wrote:... some people won't listen to the facts, no matter how glaring they are
BTW I answered your post yesterday in a kind of longish post, explaining why your comparison doesn't add up. You chose "not to reply point by point".
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