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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby JANCKER » Thu May 12, 2016 12:20 am

Milan before him was failing miserably in Europe and they're failing miserably after him.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby fashiondesign_guru » Thu May 12, 2016 12:42 am

He revived that Milan, it took him a couple of years though, they had some good players but had really bad coaching problems when he took over (in addition to Berlusconi problem).

When he left, Milan were failing financially and they were also sanctioned for matchfixing scandal. That Milan team has actually seen CL quarterfinals with Alegri after Ancelotti (coaching Juventus now) and almost eliminated the Barca team that we beat 7-0 in the treble season in their last breath before their total collapse.

They are about to be sold to a Chinese Investment group now who will supposedly become the majority shareholder, and it's rumored to be Evergrande group (who also owns that Evergrande team that bought Jackson Martinez and are supported by Chinese government), Milan could actually go back to their old days soon.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby fashiondesign_guru » Thu May 12, 2016 9:05 am

And it's really not about how many times you have won the CL before, Heynckes had only won it once before the treble, and one of Simeone or Zidane will win it for the first time. Pep to me was an excellent coach and an artist, he improved Bayern, but Carlo may instill one thing in our team that Heynckes managed to do but Guardiola couldn't (because maybe he hadn't himself), and that's belief.

That was one thing about Guardiola that kept bothering me.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby #12 » Thu May 12, 2016 9:11 am

Thiagoalcantara wrote:
#12 wrote:No team ever wasas stacked as this one... The blind guy who lives behind the moon with his hands in his ears who never watches soccer sees that...


Stacked with a injury prone team or the team who hasn't won Champs League in 3 seasons?

Or you mean Carlo taking over Jose's stack Chelsea team or the galactico era part 2 of Real Madrid.

Time for you to SSHHH and get back on the moon


Seriously? How long since Chelsea "won" that CL? Or Real before Carlo?
They had good starting XI... We have at least 20 that can compete for said title any time...

But hey, it's gonna be some Spanish team winning the CL so time for you to go back to your room fapping... ;)
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Ziklitschli » Thu May 12, 2016 12:03 pm

fashiondesign_guru wrote:
Ziklitschli wrote:
Firefox1234 wrote:
I know under Pep we barely qualify for the UCL, BvB have dominated us and our trophy cabinets are empty....OH WAIT!


I'm not about that, he failed trophy-wise as well imo but that's a different, long topic.


Ancelotti might fail trophywise too, I hope you're not expecting to collect trebles or anything otherwise you might hate Ancelotti probably more at the end. He might not win the Bundesliga every season like Guardiola did, and there's no guarantee he'll win the CL either.


I forgot to add that it's a different, long discussion I'd like to avoid :wink:

Yes he might fail trophy-wise and will be judged for that as well. I won't hate him though if I don't hate Guardiola now, he's a football manager not a war criminal or sth heh. I even grew some sentiment for Guardiola over the years but the same time I just recognise him as a stubborn, full of himself football nerd bent on proving his questionable intelectual superiority above everything else.

fashiondesign_guru wrote:Ancelotti is a fine coach, I like Ancelotti, but you might want to readjust your expectations, he won't change Bayern overnight. There are a lot of things involved in winning the CL, including luck and hunger, both of which Bayern players lacked since they won the treble. They had the hunger this season but not the luck, we could've been in the CL final today had Muller scored that penalty and made it 2-0.


My only expectations really are more pragmatism, more flexibility and more humanity in the aproach on the team.

Sometimes the high line is good and needed, but sometimes you need to drop it like a burning woman.

fashiondesign_guru wrote:
The list of his failed experiments and reinventions of the weel in bad moments is long enough for such claims imo.


Wait till you see Ancelotti's experiments :)

Experiments are good. People who don't experiment are predictable and are doomed to lose. Ancelotti will also experiment, Simeone experiments too..


Unpredictability is overrated. You need some sure but when you see that your team has communication problems already and there's a semi final coming, you stop imo.

Back to Robben example, everybody knows what he's going to do but still have troubles dealing with him.

Or Mourinho on Lewandowski after 4-1 (loose quote) "We knew everything about him, how he moves and he put 3 past us"

So yeah experiments are good but what matters is how, when and how much.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Thu May 12, 2016 1:34 pm

#12 wrote:
Thiagoalcantara wrote:
#12 wrote:No team ever wasas stacked as this one... The blind guy who lives behind the moon with his hands in his ears who never watches soccer sees that...


Stacked with a injury prone team or the team who hasn't won Champs League in 3 seasons?

Or you mean Carlo taking over Jose's stack Chelsea team or the galactico era part 2 of Real Madrid.

Time for you to SSHHH and get back on the moon


Seriously? How long since Chelsea "won" that CL? Or Real before Carlo?
They had good starting XI... We have at least 20 that can compete for said title any time...

But hey, it's gonna be some Spanish team winning the CL so time for you to go back to your room fapping... ;)
No dinner tonight fir bad boys :P


Really... If anything carlo's chelsea's teams were the most stacked chelsea teams in Chelsea history and Real madrid was galactico part 2.

Let's look at Chelsea...

Cech,
Bosingwa, terry, Carvalho cole
Lampard Essien Ballack
Malouda Drogba Anelka

Subs: Alex, belletti, Ferrarri, joe cole, zhirov, a 21 year old Matic, Mikel, Kalou, teenage Sturridge, Deco.

WInter Transfers: Pizzarro, Shevkchenko

Season after, Chelsea brought in Ramires, Torres, David Luiz
Loaned out Sturridge, Matic, bertrand, and kalas.
Sold/left deco, belletti, carvalho and ballack...

RM

Iker, Lopez
Carvalj, arbelola, ramos, pepe, varane, marcelo, coentrao
Khedira, Alonso, Modric, Di Maria, Isco, Illaramendi,
Bale, Benzema, Cristiano, Jese, Morata

Sold: Ozil, Huguain, callejon, abidol, carvalho and kaka.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby #12 » Thu May 12, 2016 5:07 pm

So... None of the Chelsea 11 is above ANY current Bayern starter...
That RM squad is on par at best and in depth still not remotely as good... Assuming all players are fit of course...
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby JANCKER » Thu May 12, 2016 5:09 pm

IMO it's harder to manage RM than Bayern...
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Dumbledore7 » Thu May 12, 2016 5:12 pm

JANCKER wrote:IMO it's harder to manage RM than Bayern...


Nah I reckon I can manage Real, just follow what Perez tells you to do :lol:
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby JANCKER » Thu May 12, 2016 5:33 pm

Dumbledore7 wrote:
JANCKER wrote:IMO it's harder to manage RM than Bayern...


Nah I reckon I can manage Real, just follow what Perez tells you to do :lol:


Manage *successfully*... dealing with all the prima donnas that Perez collects.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Thu May 12, 2016 5:35 pm

#12 wrote:So... None of the Chelsea 11 is above ANY current Bayern starter...
That RM squad is on par at best and in depth still not remotely as good... Assuming all players are fit of course...


So much bias with that statement
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby #12 » Thu May 12, 2016 7:46 pm

Thiagoalcantara wrote:So much bias with that statement


So much BS in EVERY post... ;)
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Thiagoalcantara » Thu May 12, 2016 8:25 pm

#12 wrote:
Thiagoalcantara wrote:So much bias with that statement


So much BS in EVERY post... ;)


Yea, a prime Ashley Cose isn't better than David alaba is, or A prime Drogba isn't better than Robert Lewandowski, or Deco over our Cms.
Or JT and carvalho...

O yea ESSIEN...

You biased German..

It's like our team is old and injury prone the last 3 seasons.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby JANCKER » Thu May 12, 2016 8:30 pm

Our board about Drogba in 2005...

Hoeness raved about the most dangerous striker he'd seen for ages while chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, who ought to know a decent marksman when he sees one, admitted he hadn't realised until the Ivorian's tour de force in the first leg quite how exceptional he could be.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby #12 » Thu May 12, 2016 8:47 pm

Maybe a prime Drogba is - but he wasn't then... ;)

Alaba of all poeple? There is not a single LB in history better than Alaba... Funnily, Terry IMHo is the one closest... But Boateng is better in opening up the game...

That's not biased... And bringing in citicenship just proves what I was already pretty sure about: Only dumbasses need to do that... :wink:
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