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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Isabella » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:53 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Um... wtf is this!?

https://www.tz.de/sport/fc-bayern/train ... 26777.html

Really unlikely... At this point I think Hummels and Boateng were left out of the starting eleven because they were against the coach as Robbery while Muller played only because he is the (acting) captain...
The new head coach will likely have a lot of trouble with the Bayern’s dressing room and I do not think Kalle&Uli will be so mad to try to go with Nagelsmann now... A much more reasonable and likely choice is Tuchel now and Nagelsmann in a couple of years. I said Tuchel because he is the only one of the possible replacements (Klopp, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Favre, Hasenhüttl, Low and maybe Schmidt) who do not have already a team
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Isabella » Fri Sep 29, 2017 9:59 am

FCB general wrote:So the potential Chinese move will tell us if this was an auto-sabotage from the Italian coach. That would prove that Effenberg or someone else who spoke about China departure in January is true.


Not really. That was Basler who was likely joking and now is still September and Ancelotti is free while the new season of the Chinese’s championship start in January. Can you explain me why some Chinese’s club can not start to think to offer a job to Ancelotti right now?
And if Basler was not joking well what reason has a very good coach (who is well respected and well paid) to go to take a job in China while he has a very good contract with a top European team? I can tell you: zero... or a deteriorating relationship with either players or management.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Coman » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:05 am

Hey guys.

Why Hummels was against Ancelotti ? Because he can't stand his tactical work in training. He said it after Wolfsburg game.
Why Boateng was against Ancelotti ? Because even in a good form, he knows he isn't his first choice and that a Martinez is ahead.
Why Robben was against Ancelotti ? Because he can't stand how Ancelotti act with Müller and Ribéry.
Why Ribéry was against Ancelotti ? Because he wants to play more.
Why Müller was against Ancelotti ? Because he feel like he should be a starter and isn't for 14 months while Alonso 35 years old was !

And many players had problem with his work on tactics and the lack of intensity in training.

With Tuchel ?
- no problem for Hummels
- no problem for Boateng
- no problem for Robben
- no problem for Müller
- no problem for every player who want more in training

Only Ribéry could be a problem maybe.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby tflags » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:56 am

#12 wrote:I told you ...


12, that caught us totally by surprise.

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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby FCB12Forever » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:37 pm

Coman wrote:With Tuchel ?
- no problem for Hummels
- no problem for Boateng
- no problem for Robben
- no problem for Müller
- no problem for every player who want more in training


Tuchel had problems with: Watzke, Zorc, Sven Mislintat (BVB's chief scout, who effectively brought Dembele, Pulisic, et al.) He even won't talk to Mislintat any time, anywhere.

Think he will have no problem with our management..
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby #12 » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:45 pm

tflags wrote:
#12 wrote:I told you ...


12, that caught us totally by surprise.

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Well, didn't I? AFAICS at least 3 people agree...
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Borusse » Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:50 pm

I think it's time for Bayern to part ways with Ribery and Robben as well. The problem is the transfer window is closed and someone will have to play nice with them for the remaining 8 months. Doesn't sound like Tuchel to me. He will want to play Coman/James more probably, Robben will maybe keep his starting place still but Ribery's time is over. The mess might not be over with a new coach, at least this season.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby JANCKER » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:15 pm

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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby aterford » Fri Sep 29, 2017 4:37 pm

FCB12Forever wrote:
Coman wrote:With Tuchel ?
- no problem for Hummels
- no problem for Boateng
- no problem for Robben
- no problem for Müller
- no problem for every player who want more in training


Tuchel had problems with: Watzke, Zorc, Sven Mislintat (BVB's chief scout, who effectively brought Dembele, Pulisic, et al.) He even won't talk to Mislintat any time, anywhere.

Think he will have no problem with our management..


As I said elsewhere I'm not sure that's entirely on Tuchel.

1. BvB (and by extension, Mislintat) weren't consulting Tuchel on new signings - Tuchel admitted that he wasn't informed of the club's negotiations with Alexander Isak until the deal was 99% complete
2. BvB promised Tuchel (and the public) that all three of Mkhi, Gundogan, and Hummels wouldn't be sold. All three were sold eventually. When Tuchel presented some options for replacements, BvB chose to ignore this and to my knowledge didn't sign any of the players Tuchel asked for (some good, some bad - they did choose to sign Dembele here though he wasn't specifically asked for)

Tuchel might not be totally innocent, but Watzke/Zorc have acted childish like this time and time again and will continue to do so in the future....so I think they are 50% to blame at worst, probably more like 75% minimum.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby Roonzil » Fri Sep 29, 2017 10:24 pm

Weren't there certain players unhappy with Tuchel? I remember Schmelzer, for some reason...I might be misremembering this, but there is something in the back of my mind about players being frustrated.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby YlonenXabi » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:34 pm

Well yes, that's something that happens in every other club
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby rthebest » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:34 am

Roonzil wrote:Weren't there certain players unhappy with Tuchel? I remember Schmelzer, for some reason...I might be misremembering this, but there is something in the back of my mind about players being frustrated.

it happens every where. but who know the things that happened over there will happen again with Bayern.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby rthebest » Sat Sep 30, 2017 2:38 am

with Tuchel there might be problem with Ribery but I guess he usually have problem with coaches who don't let him play.
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby aterford » Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:20 am

Roonzil wrote:Weren't there certain players unhappy with Tuchel? I remember Schmelzer, for some reason...I might be misremembering this, but there is something in the back of my mind about players being frustrated.


Yes but I don't think anything out of the ordinary - from what I can recall just certain players who got dropped and were upset because they thought they should play (*cough* Ribery)
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Re: Carlo Ancelotti

Postby FCB12Forever » Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:32 am

Isabella wrote:Can you explain me why some Chinese’s club can not start to think to offer a job to Ancelotti right now?


http://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/me ... ts-h-35469

Exclusive: mega offer for Ancelotti from China

According to Calciomercato.com, in fact, Guanghzou Evergrande, a Chinese club owned by the Evergrande Group based in Guangzhou, Guangdong, offered a monster contract to Ancelotti.

* Guangzhou Evergrande (from the city I lived) is currently managed by Luis Scolari. Yes the 1 - 7 coach. I watched their league games at the stadium a few times.
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