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Mr.S · by **Mr.S** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:53 pm

quaazi wrote:
Mr.S wrote:
Bale was choosing because how he raped both the Milan's especially maicon. He has been fantastic this season & was last season premier league player of the year. Thiago Silva is the best choice. Not so sure about Pique. Can't find another choice though,so...

You're kidding me, right? He played a total of 23 minutes against AC Milan, in that hilariously bad display back at White Hart Lane from which Tottenham somehow managed to escape with a draw. The only thing he did there worth mentioning in the guardian live blog is "He skips past Abate but Seedorf was providing a second layer of cover, so Milan clear". Hardly forced sexual interaction. And taking down an aging Maicon playing under the disastrous Benitez rule is little to brag about, and certainly shouldn't be enough to consider him best in the position.

As for the PFA Player of the Year award (not Premier League, a quick glance at the list of winners of that award shows well how biased it is. Only 8 out of the total 38 winners come from outside the British Isles. He only won that because he was the only British player who didn't make a embarrassment of himself that season.

Bale is quite simply the most over-rated player in world football today, even more than Neymar! A player so incredibly one-dimensional is only found... well, Walcott on his opposite flank, I guess. At least everyone recognizes how shit he really is.

I disagree. He is a 1 trick pony & his 1 trick is good enough to beat anybody. It does not really matter how many tricks you have,what matters is how effective you are. Bale has probably Tottenham's best player this season.He has been consistently brilliant this season. It was not just an ageing Maicon,it showed the class of Bale,his speed is devastating & he had a great shot. Abate is one the quickest & beating him for speed is cool.

Who else if not Bale?? Malouda??Arshavin??Pedro???

Anyways the list is a joke anyway. Always was. I remember them selecting Ronaldo for RM ahead of Robben after the 2009-10 season. I'm happy to see Robben there.

quaazi · by **quaazi** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:16 pm

It does matter when your trick is negated by a team playing with a deep defensive line, or hell, a remotely competent fullback. It was entirely an aging Maicon, it showed nothing of the class of Bale, and his speed is completely useless against any team that doesn't have a nutcase brazilian wingback who doesn't know what defending means. In fact, this season he's scored against Wigan, Bolton, QPR, Fulham and Norwich, lying in 20th, 19th, 18th, 14th and 9th positions in the Premier League respecitvely. Not a single good fullback to be found among that lot. Hell, not a good defender to be found in that lot (Cahill is an exception because he's failed by his team and managed to leg it from there because of it).

Even in the Premier League, Silva is twice the player he is. Ronaldo is also being used in the LW role a lot and is easily better than him. Ribery back in full song is also better (admittedly he didn't play well in the first half of last year). Juan Mata is an absolutely superb winger-playmaker and the only creative player Chelsea have right now. That's four LWs easilybetter than Bale off the top of my head.

Mr.S · by **Mr.S** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:27 pm

Mata is nowhere near Bale. Mata is an above average player but he is the definition of average. Average dribbling,average speed & stuff. Overall he is a decent package but nothing stands out.

It's not just goals,it's the manner he plays. He has been devastating in the left flank opening up spaces for the others. As a matter of fact he is even double & triple marked at times & those goals are the one's that make a huge difference in the end. Tottenham when they faced MU or City were in a horrible state but since then as they have gone better,Bale has put consistently GOOD performances against most teams.

ROnaldo is a ST,that's a fact. He gives 0 width,Marcelo practically becomes a Left Winger & even Higuain & benzema fall to the left. He does not even defend.

Silva is a CAM,yes he could play a little to the right but ultimately his playing sill is that of a CAM. Bale is an out & out winger. Oranjes & Apples. Silva is the better player though.

FCBayernMunchen · by **FCBayernMunchen** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:45 pm

Good job Robben =D>

quaazi · by **quaazi** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:08 pm

Mr.S wrote:Mata is nowhere near Bale. Mata is an above average player but he is the definition of average. Average dribbling,average speed & stuff. Overall he is a decent package but nothing stands out.

haha okay then :lol:

Mr.S wrote:It's not just goals,it's the manner he plays. He has been devastating in the left flank opening up spaces for the others. As a matter of fact he is even double & triple marked at times & those goals are the one's that make a huge difference in the end. Tottenham when they faced MU or City were in a horrible state but since then as they have gone better,Bale has put consistently GOOD performances against most teams.

Sure, let's base our argument on something completely unverifiable by fact. That's a good plan.

Mr.S wrote:ROnaldo is a ST,that's a fact. He gives 0 width,Marcelo practically becomes a Left Winger & even Higuain & benzema fall to the left. He does not even defend.

Good point. I mean, Marcelo is also a better LW. That's a good point, I forgot about him. And to argue that Ronaldo is a striker despite being fielded in a LW position is ludicrous - by your logic, Robben is also a striker (compare these two heatmaps of Ronaldo and Robben. Pretty much the same). Or we're playing with a 3-CB formation every time Boateng plays out wide. What an awful argument.

Mr.S wrote:Silva is a CAM,yes he could play a little to the right but ultimately his playing sill is that of a CAM. Bale is an out & out winger. Oranjes & Apples. Silva is the better player though.

Who, I had a massive case of deja vu. What an awful argument! Again, when Müller is stationed out on the wing, is he still a CAM? Lord no.

Also, coming back to Mata, he is the most central player of the trio of Ronaldo, Silva and him, and indeed the argument that he's more of a playmaker than a winger could hold some, very little water at least. Why didn't you point that out? Because you haven't even seen him play, obviously. In fact I'm wondering if you've seen any of the players mentioned play...

Hell, look at these two goals by Bale - he mustn't be a winger either! I mean, he's playing in the center! Or this one against Hearts in the EL (3:26). Gareth Bale is not a winger! :roll:

ronnie98 · by **ronnie98** » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:18 pm

Mr.S wrote:
quaazi wrote:
Mr.S wrote:
Bale was choosing because how he raped both the Milan's especially maicon. He has been fantastic this season & was last season premier league player of the year. Thiago Silva is the best choice. Not so sure about Pique. Can't find another choice though,so...

You're kidding me, right? He played a total of 23 minutes against AC Milan, in that hilariously bad display back at White Hart Lane from which Tottenham somehow managed to escape with a draw. The only thing he did there worth mentioning in the guardian live blog is "He skips past Abate but Seedorf was providing a second layer of cover, so Milan clear". Hardly forced sexual interaction. And taking down an aging Maicon playing under the disastrous Benitez rule is little to brag about, and certainly shouldn't be enough to consider him best in the position.

As for the PFA Player of the Year award (not Premier League, a quick glance at the list of winners of that award shows well how biased it is. Only 8 out of the total 38 winners come from outside the British Isles. He only won that because he was the only British player who didn't make a embarrassment of himself that season.

Bale is quite simply the most over-rated player in world football today, even more than Neymar! A player so incredibly one-dimensional is only found... well, Walcott on his opposite flank, I guess. At least everyone recognizes how shit he really is.

I disagree. He is a 1 trick pony & his 1 trick is good enough to beat anybody. It does not really matter how many tricks you have,what matters is how effective you are. Bale has probably Tottenham's best player this season.He has been consistently brilliant this season. It was not just an ageing Maicon,it showed the class of Bale,his speed is devastating & he had a great shot. Abate is one the quickest & beating him for speed is cool.

Who else if not Bale?? Malouda??Arshavin??Pedro???

Anyways the list is a joke anyway. Always was. I remember them selecting Ronaldo for RM ahead of Robben after the 2009-10 season. I'm happy to see Robben there.

Back then Inter had ZERO motivation and were losing to the weakest teams in serie a + it was in the group stages. That game alone makes him reach that team?! I think what he did in that game is blown out of proportions in the english media, the fact that it is still mentioned until now!
Imo Robben had a way better season than Christiano in 09-10 and deserved the RM position. Overall, robben has much much more potential to win a game by himself while christiano is just for ineffective stunts in 6-0 games. Big games always off and this is where efficiency is more important than scoring 40+ goals.

American · by **American** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:38 am

Mr.S wrote:Mata is nowhere near Bale. Mata is an above average player but he is the definition of average. Average dribbling,average speed & stuff. Overall he is a decent package but nothing stands out.

Have you seen Chelsea play? Mata is fantastic. He's clearly their best creator, one of the best in the EPL at that. He would start as a creator on nearly any team in the world. He dribbles like a champ, the things he does with the ball are very very good. This is insane.

Regards,
Jamie Pawlikowski

American · by **American** » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:48 am

Additionally, let me add this they're exponentially different players. Bale isn't a creator like Mata is. I think you mistake Bales ability to create on his own by gaining separation as creating for others which it does occasionally but not frequently. Creating isn't what he does it's a byproduct of what he does.

Regards,
Jamie Pawlikowski

YlonenXabi · by **YlonenXabi** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:28 am

According to Süddeutsche Zeitung Arjen Robben wants to extend his contract with Bayern. He says that he wants to extend because Bayern is a top team

There will be a full interview with him today (20-01-2012)

Greek Bavarian · by **Greek Bavarian** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:05 am

YlonenXabi wrote:According to Süddeutsche Zeitung Arjen Robben wants to extend his contract with Bayern. He says that he wants to extend because Bayern is a top team

There will be a full interview with him today (20-01-2012)

These are good news for the team.

Mr.S · by **Mr.S** » Mon Jan 23, 2012 6:19 pm

Happy Birthday Arjen. Robben turned 28 today.

MUTU · by **MUTU** » Sat Feb 11, 2012 5:56 pm

Anyone notice the similarity?

eliasov · by **eliasov** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 9:51 am

Franz Beckenbauer hits out at 'selfish' Bayern Munich star Arjen Robben

http://www.goal.com/en/news/15/germany/2012/02/13/2903020/franz-beckenbauer-hits-out-at-selfish-bayern-munich-star

sch0ll7 · by **sch0ll7** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 10:04 am

Beckenbauer is just like Pele at times...he does not think before says something...and is sometimes not doing favors for his bellowed club

tflags · by **tflags** » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:16 am

sch0ll7 wrote:Beckenbauer is just like Pele at times...he does not think before says something...and is sometimes not doing favors for his bellowed club

At times?

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