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[2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:30 pm

Borussia Dortmund will win the cup
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6%
Bayern Munich will win the cup
30
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Total votes : 32

Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby AdepT » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:32 am

I'm in too. How long is the duration? One week?

I'd wager on Boateng >>> Hummels. Do you accept Borusse? :P I'm fine with yours.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Borusse » Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:52 am

No, Boateng > Hummels is just pure nonsense. :P Lets stick with what we decided yesterday.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby AdepT » Mon Jul 22, 2013 10:32 am

Klopp > Guardiola is nonsensical too. :P
Can we have people rallying my proposition?
Dante > Hummels is a fact. So let's go for a hypothetically demeaning bet like you've offered. Are you afraid Borusse? :twisted:
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Borusse » Mon Jul 22, 2013 11:17 am

AdepT wrote:Klopp > Guardiola is nonsensical too. :P


Only if u judge by the number of titles earned. I dont see Guardiola or Mourinho ever being successful with a team that Klopp got in 2008. :wink: But that's not the topic for discussing something like that.

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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby AdepT » Mon Jul 22, 2013 12:07 pm

^ Man! You're no fun. I guess I'm out then. :P

Though you've to give credit to a man who managed a junior team and go promoted to first team and built a legacy. A little appreciation won't hurt you.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Borusse » Mon Jul 22, 2013 2:22 pm

Im not saying anything of the sort. Klopp is just a better manager for me because he created something out of nothing. Guardiola had everything that you need for success - great players, big budget and trust as he is a former Barca player - legend also. I enjoyed watching his Barcelona play very much, better than that, I enjoyed watching Barcelona 10 years ago, always liked that team so I will be the last to say something against Guardiola.

However Klopp didnt have great players and had a very very low budget. And yet he made the team that suprises everybody including me fourth year in a row. :wink:
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby MoFattal » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:31 am

Adept, Dante>Hummels is fine for now. There's a special treat coming up later in the season for Borusse ;)
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:43 am

I don't think Borusse has got it right. First of all Guardiola did not inherit a working team, he inherited one that was facing relegation and then another that finished the title with 18 (+-) points behind the leader. You cannot even begin to compare the internal dynamics of the two teams in question either. Zorc and "count Kloppola" rule Dortmund. Guardiola and Co faced a president who looked for every single mistake as an excuse to fire a him; a coach that was appointed by his predecessor and widely known arch-rival.

And for whatever is worth, Guardiola's genius lies not on his purchases (and budget therefore) but in recognizing young prospects and brining them to the first team; Villa's purchase excluded. Here, my two cents on the topic.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Tue Jul 23, 2013 11:44 am

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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Borusse » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:14 pm

tflags wrote: Guardiola and Co faced a president who looked for every single mistake as an excuse to fire a him; a coach that was appointed by his predecessor and widely known arch-rival.


Well, but that happened in 2010, his first two seasons he worked with Laporta who was his biggest fan. :wink: So he went to a team in which he got plenty of support, plenty of talent, plenty of cash to spent and so on. Of course not many coaches would manage to win 2 champions league trophies and 3 la liga titles having all of this, for this credit goes to Guardiola. But Kloppo did something near impossible, what Barca did under Guardiola was, at most, something unexpected.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:22 pm

Borusse wrote:But Kloppo did something near impossible, what Barca did under Guardiola was, at most, something unexpected.


So basically you are saying that winning titles for the club with the biggest group therapy session venue in Germany and the second highest revenue in the land should be near impossible? Just ask'n.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Borusse » Tue Jul 23, 2013 12:41 pm

NOW we have second highest revenue. In 2008 it was very very different. But it all changed BECAUSE we won the back-to-back Bundesliga titles and got to the cl final, not the other way around. :wink:

The near impossible was to make a team that ended the 2007/2008 on 13th place into the Bundesliga giant having spent not more than 40 million euros on transfers. Only when we bought Marco Reus in 2012 we made our first signing that was more expensive than 10 million.

And for example even now Schalke pay their players more than us.

First you get your info wrong with Guardiola - Rosell/Laporta, now this... Not your day tflags. :P

Anyway, no point in discussing it further. Let everybody have their opinion.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:20 pm

Lol. Fine, I won't discuss Dortmund revenues. You'll beat me surely. And I am picking on you with El Kloppo. I have always said he is a fine manager in his own style.
What I don't understand though is why you are saying the info on Rosell is wrong when Guardiola had to stand two years under him and won a shitload of titles despite having to see all the internal legal fighting between boards; one of which he openly supported. If Guardiola stayed as long as he chose and left on his 'Seinfeld' moment, it was because he was an instant success with the club and later confirmed of those very same achievements.
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby tflags » Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:23 pm

Borusse wrote:Anyway, no point in discussing it further. Let everybody have their opinion.


It is a boring subject, isn't it? :P
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Re: [2013-07-27] Borussia Dortmund vs Bayern Munich

Postby Bomber_der_Nation » Thu Jul 25, 2013 1:58 pm

At least Schalke are paying off their debt..

Borusse wrote:NOW we have second highest revenue. In 2008 it was very very different. But it all changed BECAUSE we won the back-to-back Bundesliga titles and got to the cl final, not the other way around. :wink:

The near impossible was to make a team that ended the 2007/2008 on 13th place into the Bundesliga giant having spent not more than 40 million euros on transfers. Only when we bought Marco Reus in 2012 we made our first signing that was more expensive than 10 million.

And for example even now Schalke pay their players more than us.

First you get your info wrong with Guardiola - Rosell/Laporta, now this... Not your day tflags. :P

Anyway, no point in discussing it further. Let everybody have their opinion.
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