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2014/15 UEFA Youth League

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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:01 pm

Ottomeister13 wrote:Sometimes i wonder with those international games how bad the youth academy is that Bayern has right now.. They Always seem to lose any game, even if it's a friendly. Then i am talking about U19, U17 etc.. Not FCBII

This is quite irrelevant.

For example if you have a lot of well-above average players you are bound to do well in competitions, but then you will only promote bench/depth players.

On the other hand, if you have a bunch of average players but one superstar in each age group, you will do badly in competitions but be able to promote a really good player very regularly.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:02 pm

It's confusing because at the same time players like Gaudino magically turn up. Definitely we have an odd lack of players in youth NTs though.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby Ottomeister13 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:21 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:It's confusing because at the same time players like Gaudino magically turn up. Definitely we have an odd lack of players in youth NTs though.


That's what i meant to say aswell, if you look at LEverkusen, Mainz, Bremen etc they have a lot of youth players in the NT's already where the Bayern players are just very few to none existent. Kurt is one yes, but he was that already with Gladbach.

Look at Schalke in last year's Youth league, they came very far, where Bayern's didnt even made it to 2nd fase.. Ofcourse it is probably not the point to win it, but an experience for this, besides their own competition wouldnt hurt their experience overall. And it seems that Bayern U19 and under just lacks a lot of that, lets even say they have one player in the U19 or U17 that stands out. ( Gaudino and Scholl i don't count with them, because they are training a lot with the pro's as of this season )
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:03 pm

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:It's confusing because at the same time players like Gaudino magically turn up. Definitely we have an odd lack of players in youth NTs though.


That's what i meant to say aswell, if you look at LEverkusen, Mainz, Bremen etc they have a lot of youth players in the NT's already where the Bayern players are just very few to none existent. Kurt is one yes, but he was that already with Gladbach.

Look at Schalke in last year's Youth league, they came very far, where Bayern's didnt even made it to 2nd fase.. Ofcourse it is probably not the point to win it, but an experience for this, besides their own competition wouldnt hurt their experience overall. And it seems that Bayern U19 and under just lacks a lot of that, lets even say they have one player in the U19 or U17 that stands out. ( Gaudino and Scholl i don't count with them, because they are training a lot with the pro's as of this season )

The point is that this is a competition for the U19s, and Gaudino will be eligible to play in it even next season, and yet he's already playing for the pros. THAT is what matters, the one or two superstars.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MatZam » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:08 pm

Our youth teams have never produced a plethora of vastly gifted youth players though have they. It's like MUTU said, we generally have one gifted player every couple of years. 10 years ago there was Lahm and Schweinsteiger, and more recently we've had Mueller, Badstuber, Alaba. Now we have Hojbjerg, Gaudino and Scholl mainly looking to make the cut, and all these players have at least a year in age difference.

If you see Germany's youth teams, we've rarely as a club contributed heavily to them. The 2009 winning side that became successful only had Badstuber and Hummels as Bayern youth players, and Hummels had already left.

We always contribute heavily to the seniors team because as a club we've always had a policy of buying German players when possible, like Boateng, Neuer, Kroos, Goetze, etc.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby Ottomeister13 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:11 pm

And THAT is what i am saying, because they are already with the pro's, there is none of them or like them in the U19 or U17 right now ;) But it doesnt take away from the fact at all, that Bremen, Leverkusen, Mainz and even Freiburg have a lot more of that kind of players in their ranks, compared to Bayern that push through to the pro's, and that with a budget 1000 times smaller..

And those are called up to the youth NT aswell, where i hardly see any Bayern player called up at all, so i wonder, what is the quality for not calling them, but instead rely on those youth players from other clubs.

Just imagine the youth teams Bayern had in the time period with Lahm and Schweini, when they were still amateurs so to say. The quality back then was a lot higher.. Ekici, Misimovic, Mahop, Lahm, Schweini, Feulner.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:17 pm

Ottomeister13 wrote:Just imagine the youth teams Bayern had in the time period with Lahm and Schweini, when they were still amateurs so to say. The quality back then was a lot higher.. Ekici, Misimovic, Mahop, Lahm, Schweini, Feulner.

Now we have Gaudino, Scholl, Hojbjerg and Green. And let's not forget that Alaba is still 22, and that Emre Can has left already but is still our youth product.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby runaway » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:19 pm

Geographically, Bayern is at a disadvantage. Most German talent are coming from Ruhr region.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:50 pm

runaway wrote:Geographically, Bayern is at a disadvantage. Most German talent are coming from Ruhr region.

What are you saying, better genes or something like that?

There's more talent coming through because there's better youth training & development, as simple as that.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby prasun77 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 3:52 pm

bayern u-19 lost 3-1 to cska moscow u-19
again....the senior team sets up a inning streak and the youth teams....no need to say more.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby runaway » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:03 pm

MUTU wrote:
runaway wrote:Geographically, Bayern is at a disadvantage. Most German talent are coming from Ruhr region.

What are you saying, better genes or something like that?

There's more talent coming through because there's better youth training & development, as simple as that.

Not the genes. :lol: The Ruhr has more local clubs. Schalke, Dortmund, Monchengladbach, Leverkusen, and Koln are close to each other. Bochum is also a great producer of promising talents. We only got Ausburg from BuLi. And the others buried in 2.Bundesliga.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:29 am

A.S. Roma vs Bayern Munich
A.S. Roma vs Bayern Munich
Competition: UEFA Youth League
Venue: Stadio Agostino Di Bartolomei, Rome


Group results so far:

Roma 3-1 CSKA
Bayern 1-4 Man City
CSKA 3-1 Bayern
Man City 2-1 Roma

Standings: Man City 6, CSKA 3, Roma 3, Bayern 0
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Mon Oct 20, 2014 11:32 am

If Bayern beat Roma and Man City beat CSKA, then Bayern would have equal points to CSKA and Roma, though we'd likely still be last place due to having a really bad goal difference.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby MUTU » Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:57 pm

Bayern lost 1-0 to a 5' goal by Adamo despite Gaudino playing for FC Bayern U19s.
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Re: 2014/15 UEFA Youth League

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:32 pm

MUTU wrote:Bayern lost 1-0 to a 5' goal by Adamo despite Gaudino playing for FC Bayern U19s.

So Gaudino plays for the U19s in the same week that Hojbjerg played a full game. :-k
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