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Re: Politics Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:25 pm

Rothbard is not something you would learn from an Economics Department anyway hahaha. I majored in economics and Rothbard was definitively not in the curriculum. In any case, I don't really advocate Austrian Economics anymore, just the philosophical and political ideas (I do advocate the natural rights theory).

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Re: Politics Thread

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:35 pm

Whew! I was worried that when my maths department sent me to the econ department, that the econ department somehow let me down. Not that we really dealt with the historical side of the science.

I do wonder how you separate the economic arguments from the political philosophy. Unless you are one of those libertarian socialists I've heard spoken of in legend.
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:51 pm

good idea MUTU I was thinking of it... but tbh I d better stay away from it cause I end up more in it then in the bayern related topics :grin:
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Fri Mar 11, 2016 7:59 pm

No, no hahahaha. I'm more inclined to the financial side of economics so I naturally tend to believe that economics is useless if it can't provide some form of predictions, as flawed as they may be. On those grounds, I think Austrian Economics are sort of empty, but on the other hand I fully advocate free markets, just not necessarily in economical grounds (although neoclassical econ is also largely pro-market).

To further clarify: in my view, the desirability of free markets is not a matter of what economic consequences they may have, but rather a matter of pure right (I believe you have a right to engage in whatever non-violent activities you may fancy).

That distinction is somehow Incorporated in Austrian thought. Some scholars say you can be a good Austrian economist and still be a socialist (provided your objective is not the welfare of society, but rather your own personal welfare as a politician for instance). So science and politics are separated things.

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Re: Politics Thread

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:02 pm

Cool thanks :)
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:11 pm

If I have to describe my political me I would say that I am not sure what I am...
on some issues I consider myself very socialist ... I tend to be all out for the poor and those in need and wholeheartedly against the elite...
I am also very conservative on most issues such as abortion euthanasia gay marriage and adoptions.... but then I am in favour of legalized prostitution and brothels... and cohabitization for both sexes...
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:15 pm

This isn't a serious problem. You're just bi-curious.
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:24 pm

pyrasur wrote:This isn't a serious problem. You're just bi-curious.
meaning?
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby pyrasur » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:25 pm

That's just one of those jokes where you have to get the reference. South Park...? :)

Anyway it's nice to know your political stance though, thank you for that.
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:37 pm

ramsej84 wrote:If I have to describe my political me I would say that I am not sure what I am...
on some issues I consider myself very socialist ... I tend to be all out for the poor and those in need and wholeheartedly against the elite...
I am also very conservative on most issues such as abortion euthanasia gay marriage and adoptions.... but then I am in favour of legalized prostitution and brothels... and cohabitization for both sexes...
On other issues I am totally on the right side of the political spectrum..
I am very jealous of my culture, values and language... this is natural hailing from an island sate as small as Malta I guess.

Then the Green Party is for you :)
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:42 pm

MUTU wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:If I have to describe my political me I would say that I am not sure what I am...
on some issues I consider myself very socialist ... I tend to be all out for the poor and those in need and wholeheartedly against the elite...
I am also very conservative on most issues such as abortion euthanasia gay marriage and adoptions.... but then I am in favour of legalized prostitution and brothels... and cohabitization for both sexes...
On other issues I am totally on the right side of the political spectrum..
I am very jealous of my culture, values and language... this is natural hailing from an island sate as small as Malta I guess.

Then the Green Party is for you :)

I am pro env as well but never ever vote for those hyppies....
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby MUTU » Fri Mar 11, 2016 9:30 pm

I voted for them the last two times. I'm fed up of the main political parties that do nothing but attack each other.
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:10 pm

I would not tell whom I've voted in all MEP elections since accession... :)
As for the gen election I am praying for a strong third party... I guess Alleanza ghal bidla can be one
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby #12 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:45 pm

ramsej84 wrote:I am also very conservative on most issues such as abortion euthanasia gay marriage and adoptions....


I can honestly understand the euthanasia and abortion thing... (although I myself am all for "my body - my decision)
But what do you have against gay people marrying? And what is conservative in adoptions? Also, not for gays?
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Re: Politics Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 11, 2016 10:52 pm

I have nothing against gay couples being accepted as couples and also having all rights such as tax, wills, etc etc ... BUT ... they should never be allowed to adopt... and to CALL their civil union as MARRIAGE.
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