ramsej84 wrote:OK fair point. But who led our societies to have less and less children? one maybe two if possible 0...
On the other hand the guests will have four to six on average. Are you happy with that... ?
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Not really sure who you're hinting at in your first sentence...Pretty sure the EU didn't tell people to get a certain amount of kids
Also I'm fairly sure if you go to the more Christian religious areas in Europe (I only know that it's the case in the Netherlands), the families will be just as big.
And even if immigrants have big families, as long as they participate in society that shouldn't be a problem imo.
with the Policies and changes they brought ppl in western europe cannot afford to have big families.
In the meantime I've found this post in a blog very interesting :
''Well done to the English people and their great English spirit who didn't allow themselves to be blackmailed by banks, corporations, financial capital and the media manipulations and campaigns of their oligarchy. Western civilization lies on the Englishmen and their individualism, sense for personal freedom and responsibility outside and above the terror of every government.
* The English invented parliament to reduce the absolute power of the king.
* The English were first to kick off the Pope, rejecting Italians and and blackmails and theocracy.
* The English were the first to develop capitalism, (without English there is no free trade)
* It was the English who have shaped the Western civilization, its political, historical and economical identity so why would they have to accept any sort of blackmails, pressures, ultimatums and directives and regulations from Berlin / Brussels ?
Great Britain is the second strongest economy in Europe and because of that they refused the Euro currency.
They are only behind Germany, and are surely stronger than France.
The English know very well that without Germany EU does not exist, but also that without Britain that Europe does not have neither the head nor the tail.
If the European Union won't reform, then it's better to fall apart. We do not want to be responsible for someone else's debts, we do not want that our economic and monetary decisions are made in other countries, we do not want that others regulate/order who are we going to accept in our country and how we are going to accept them, we do not want that the decisions about us are made and that with the directives is decided for us just because Berlin/Brussels holds the piggy bank. Yes gentlemen, this what you are seeing and watching right now is the real Europe, the real West, the real civilization. In this referendum the whole identity and the history and the value and the world contribution of West and the Western politic and economic thought to the world, against the logic of financial power centers and their corporations that think they hold the entire world, human destinies and our souls just as the Middle Age Pope and every sick totalitarian and absolutist ever since the world and age. All of them on this referendum is being shown the middle finger. Freedom cannot be bought with money, either you have it or don't have it, if you don't have it, you fight in blood for it, and if you have it, you keep it, you shall keep it in blood. In the last two days the Western civilization showed that still has not died, that the spirit lives in the living body and that it is worth of universal respect. Not because it has money, yet because it has a back and attitude.
The European Union should be ashamed that it had to be the British, ''those traditional slave owners and slave merchants'' had to teach the Europeans a lesson about freedom to govern your own country in their own interest.