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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:00 pm

BayernLove wrote:
AssemFCB wrote:I had no idea this was the late nineties.

And I'm the one constantly trolling...
Besides, The Offspring is one of the greatest bands in time (I've listened to their other stuff, not just this, because I know this isn't their usual style, before you try and troll again)

The Offspring is one of the best bands of all time?
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby BayernLove » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:10 pm

I'm sorry, I had no idea music was objective to your taste, Assem.

IN MY OPINION:
The Beatles and the Rolling stones are overrated anyway.
The Beatles - Very good, but also overrated.
Rolling Stones - Boring AND overrated.

The rest are VERY good musicians, in my opinion, but in their own genres.
You're comparing apples with oranges.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:24 pm

BayernLove wrote:I'm sorry, I had no idea music was objective to your taste, Assem.

IN MY OPINION:
The Beatles and the Rolling stones are overrated anyway.
The Beatles - Very good, but also overrated.
Rolling Stones - Boring AND overrated.

The rest are VERY good musicians, in my opinion, but in their own genres.
You're comparing apples with oranges.

Objectivity is a two way street.
And I'm not sure how nineties rock is a different fruit from the rock of the three decades before it.
Every band I mentioned has a larger fan base, has sold many more records, has racked up many more awards and has influenced many more artists than The Offspring. If by apples and oranges you mean that The Offspring are punk, then....

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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby BayernLove » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:32 pm

AssemFCB wrote:
BayernLove wrote:I'm sorry, I had no idea music was objective to your taste, Assem.

IN MY OPINION:
The Beatles and the Rolling stones are overrated anyway.
The Beatles - Very good, but also overrated.
Rolling Stones - Boring AND overrated.

The rest are VERY good musicians, in my opinion, but in their own genres.
You're comparing apples with oranges.

Every band I mentioned has a larger fan base

Bieber has a bigger fanbase than a lot of those on there, I guess he's better than them, in turn.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:35 pm

BayernLove wrote:
AssemFCB wrote:
BayernLove wrote:I'm sorry, I had no idea music was objective to your taste, Assem.

IN MY OPINION:
The Beatles and the Rolling stones are overrated anyway.
The Beatles - Very good, but also overrated.
Rolling Stones - Boring AND overrated.

The rest are VERY good musicians, in my opinion, but in their own genres.
You're comparing apples with oranges.

Every band I mentioned has a larger fan base

Bieber has a bigger fanbase than a lot of those on there, I guess he's better than them, in turn.

Your shot at reductio ad absurdum has failed because you left out the influenced, sold and won part. If you're going to make fun of what I say, make fun of the whole thing, don't take things out of context.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby quaazi » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:40 pm

None of those are still any indication to an artist's creative worth. More their businessmanship, or rather that of their managers.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:47 pm

quaazi wrote:None of those are still any indication to an artist's creative worth. More their businessmanship, or rather that of their managers.

You may be right regarding the "sold" part, but when modern-day successful and acclaimed bands claim that bands like the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin or Queen influenced them to be what they are, it's difficult to deny their greatness. Also, managers have little to do with bands getting certain awards.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby BayernLove » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:48 pm

He's also sold a lot, that too, I guess.
Besides, maybe not really "the most amazing", to me they are there or thereabouts among the better of punk musicians.
The oldest is not always the best, but who knows, there IS a study that music is getting louder and more repetitive over time.
Fan base and amount of albums sold is irrelevant, winning something is a lot of times based on popularity more than anything.
Influence? I might give you that one.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:54 pm

BayernLove wrote:He's also sold a lot, that too, I guess.
Besides, maybe not really "the most amazing", to me they are there or thereabouts among the better of punk musicians.
The oldest is not always the best, but who knows, there IS a study that [url]music is getting louder and more repetitive over time.[/url]
Fan base and amount of albums sold is irrelevant, winning something is a lot of times based on popularity more than anything.
Influence? I might give you that one.

That's right; Pink Floyd, who have sold hundreds of millions of albums, inspired hundreds of millions of fans over multiple generations, racked up dozens of awards, including one awarded by the King of Sweden himself, are really just a mediocre band who are popular because they fluked out.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby BayernLove » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:01 pm

AssemFCB wrote:
BayernLove wrote:He's also sold a lot, that too, I guess.
Besides, maybe not really "the most amazing", to me they are there or thereabouts among the better of punk musicians.
The oldest is not always the best, but who knows, there IS a study that music is getting louder and more repetitive over time.
Fan base and amount of albums sold is irrelevant, winning something is a lot of times based on popularity more than anything.
Influence? I might give you that one.

That's right; Pink Floyd, who have sold hundreds of millions of albums, inspired hundreds of millions of fans over multiple generations, racked up dozens of awards, including one awarded by the King of Sweden himself, are really just a mediocre band who are popular because they fluked out.

They sold shit, won shit, got fans, and that's all randy dandy and whatnot, I guess.
But I'm just saying those =/= good band.
Bad bands/singers can sell shit, get fans, and even may win something or another here and there.
I'm just saying it doesn't AUTOMATICALLY make you good, is all.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby quaazi » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:06 pm

AssemFCB wrote:You may be right regarding the "sold" part, but when modern-day successful and acclaimed bands claim that bands like the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin or Queen influenced them to be what they are, it's difficult to deny their greatness.


About.com lists to me shit like Foo Fighters and Korn as some of the most successful rock bands. I'd say my point stands.

AssemFCB wrote:Also, managers have little to do with bands getting certain awards.


Probably the most naive thing I've ever heard.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby quaazi » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:11 pm

The thing is that most people don't actually care about music. They want something inoffensive and catchy to listen to on the radio when driving or cooking or whatever. They are marketed appealing sound, not music. Now I don't sound like a hipster, but judging from the stuff that gets constantly posted in this thread, I'd say you guys are still at that level. Not that I'm saying that Deep Purple or Ozzy are bad, but they take absolutely no effort from you to get to know them. Branch out a bit - there is some absolutely marvelous music in the world that only a handful of people have heard about at any given time. Listening to the classics is fun and all but you will never find what truly appeals to you this way.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby BayernLove » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:22 pm

quaazi wrote:The thing is that most people don't actually care about music. They want something inoffensive and catchy to listen to on the radio when driving or cooking or whatever. They are marketed appealing sound, not music. Now I don't sound like a hipster, but judging from the stuff that gets constantly posted in this thread, I'd say you guys are still at that level. Not that I'm saying that Deep Purple or Ozzy are bad, but they take absolutely no effort from you to get to know them. Branch out a bit - there is some absolutely marvelous music in the world that only a handful of people have heard about at any given time. Listening to the classics is fun and all but you will never find what truly appeals to you this way.

There are so many things about your argument.
Many correct, many incorrect.
But f.uck it, I'm way too tired right now to list and discuss them all.
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby quaazi » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:25 pm

Well I'm eager to know what you think is incorrect!
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Re: What song are you listening to?

Postby AssemFCB » Sat Dec 08, 2012 7:26 pm

quaazi wrote:The thing is that most people don't actually care about music. They want something inoffensive and catchy to listen to on the radio when driving or cooking or whatever. They are marketed appealing sound, not music. Now I don't sound like a hipster, but judging from the stuff that gets constantly posted in this thread, I'd say you guys are still at that level. Not that I'm saying that Deep Purple or Ozzy are bad, but they take absolutely no effort from you to get to know them. Branch out a bit - there is some absolutely marvelous music in the world that only a handful of people have heard about at any given time. Listening to the classics is fun and all but you will never find what truly appeals to you this way.

That first part is true, but I disagree with the second. Personally, I've gone through everything from the dubstep and techno of Deadmau5 and co to the funk of the 70's to the Gangsta rap of the NWA, Tupac and Biggie to the thrash of Metallica, Sepultura, Slayer, Sodom to the whatever-the-hell-that-is of Body Count and beyond. While these things are all entertaining and intriguing, in the end, there's a reason I like and listen to the bands that I do, and it's most definitely narrow mindedness.
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