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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:32 pm

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FCB general wrote:So it's originally Austrian anthem and not German? Interesting...


During that period Germany used 'Heil in the Siegerkranz' (the tune of God Save the Queen) as national anthem until 1918. It had been the royal anthem of Prussia since 1795.

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He is not German...

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby Bayernbazi » Thu Mar 30, 2017 1:52 pm

I don't blame Bavarians if they don't consider that as 'their true history'
Bavarians are Bavarians first and foremost - sometimes they even joined forces with the Austrians to fight against the Prussians :wink:

This mosaic about German unification is found in the Victory Column in Berlin and shows the submission of the Bavarian crown to Germany like some conquered nation.
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'stern des südens, 'mia san mia' and clashes with teams from northern cities especially with Borussia in their name has a very deep meaning !
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ottackon » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:03 pm

This is not a proper national anthem, but I like it

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:33 pm

ottackon wrote:This is not a proper national anthem, but I like it



I hate it.
For obvious reasons...................

we were a colony of the British ... they were not very kind to us... not at all
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby Bayernbazi » Thu Mar 30, 2017 2:45 pm

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ottackon wrote:This is not a proper national anthem, but I like it



I hate it.
For obvious reasons...................

we were a colony of the British ... they were not very kind to us... not at all


British marches don't bother me. I think thar it would have been far worse had we remained under the occupation of the other super power of the time - the French. Lesser of 2 evils.
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:00 pm

What a coincidence tomorrow we mark the 38th anniversary of when the British left for good once and for all ... Freedom Day.
@bayernbazi.
are you aware that the Maltese wanted the Brits to take over (Kemm kienu gifa jahasra) as they were afraid that the Knights will be back or that we were going to fall under the Tsar of Russia.
Imagine we went on to be part of Russia how history would have been! Russia with a presence in the Med with chances to have colonies in Africa... and then the Communist uprising ! My God ...

P.S Gozo were independent for a couple of months until they had no choice and joined Malta under the Brits.

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby Bayernbazi » Thu Mar 30, 2017 3:59 pm

ramsej84 wrote:What a coincidence tomorrow we mark the 38th anniversary of when the British left for good once and for all ... Freedom Day.
@bayernbazi.
are you aware that the Maltese wanted the Brits to take over (Kemm kienu gifa jahasra) as they were afraid that the Knights will be back or that we were going to fall under the Tsar of Russia.
Imagine we went on to be part of Russia how history would have been! Russia with a presence in the Med with chances to have colonies in Africa... and then the Communist uprising ! My God ...

P.S Gozo were independent for a couple of months until they had no choice and joined Malta under the Brits.

The first British flag was raised in Birkirkara by Vincenzo Brared who was the leader of the guerilla forces of both Birkirkara and Qormi against the French.


I remember the few last few years of the British very well...my dad was in the RAF. I think the Knights return or Russian takeover was more scaremongering to make the British overdue stay easier to swallow. To keep an overseas base running you needed naval strength and the real alternative to the Brits were the French. Russia's empire was neighbourung countries won by armies. Southern Italy was under the French. Look at North Africa and North America at that time only those 2 were the masters.
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:13 pm

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FCB general wrote:So it's originally Austrian anthem and not German? Interesting...


During that period Germany used 'Heil in the Siegerkranz' (the tune of God Save the Queen) as national anthem until 1918. It had been the royal anthem of Prussia since 1795.


I think I posted that once. It's used as a tune by other countries too. Luxembourg or Liechtenstein was one if I remember correctly


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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:14 pm

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ramsej84 wrote:
ottackon wrote:This is not a proper national anthem, but I like it



I hate it.
For obvious reasons...................

we were a colony of the British ... they were not very kind to us... not at all


British marches don't bother me. I think thar it would have been far worse had we remained under the occupation of the other super power of the time - the French. Lesser of 2 evils.


I wish Napoleon spent more time here tbh but everyone knows my political and social views by now :mrgreen:


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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ottackon » Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:24 pm

In the same vein

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:34 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
Bayernbazi wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:[quote="ottackon"]This is not a proper national anthem, but I like it



I hate it.
For obvious reasons...................

we were a colony of the British ... they were not very kind to us... not at all


British marches don't bother me. I think thar it would have been far worse had we remained under the occupation of the other super power of the time - the French. Lesser of 2 evils.


I wish Napoleon spent more time here tbh but everyone knows my political and social views by now :mrgreen:


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We were very important then

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby #12 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:59 am

ramsej84 wrote:
Bayernbazi wrote:
FCB general wrote:So it's originally Austrian anthem and not German? Interesting...


During that period Germany used 'Heil in the Siegerkranz' (the tune of God Save the Queen) as national anthem until 1918. It had been the royal anthem of Prussia since 1795.

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He is not German...

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No he doesn't and yes I am

As for the German anthem: the current verse is not just more fitting with our (recent) history, it is also way more beautiful... And the original wasnot calling for defense (as most anthems do) - but it was (MIS-) used to call for attack...
JUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPPJUPP
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby Bayernbazi » Fri Mar 31, 2017 6:12 pm

#12 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:You know more than #12
He is not German...

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No he doesn't and yes I am

As for the German anthem: the current verse is not just more fitting with our (recent) history, it is also way more beautiful... And the original wasnot calling for defense (as most anthems do) - but it was (MIS-) used to call for attack...


Hi #12 that was only Ramsej's opinion :wink:

But I still think you misunderstood my post, there I was only speaking about the music/composition of older versions. The German anthem that I referred to in my post was not 'Das lied der deutschen' (the naughty one with all 3 paragraphs that you refer to and which was used after the one I posted). It only borrowed Josef Haydn's music that was used in the the Austro/Hungarian - Gott erhalte Franz, den Kaiser one that I posted.

By the way coincidentally today is Josef Haydn's birthday as well !
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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:36 pm


https://youtu.be/_aoTEqqJ6EQ
It is so wrong to be patriotic ... shhhh

Plus what is wrong to say your country is the greatest...?

Plus it had nothing to do with Nazi era

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Re: National Anthems thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:15 pm

The Roman Empire
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