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Re: German members...

Postby #12 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:15 am

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ramsej84 wrote:So you risk having your ppl and your legal guests being torn into pieces just not to upset some fundamentalists ?
I am speechless...

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Re: German members...

Postby pyrasur » Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:22 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Tbh, I do kind of agree with camera in mosques. Most public buildings have them after all. Doesn't solve the problem of actually hearing what's being said though.

The rest: no way.


Really? No way man. Private citizens have a right against surveillance without probable cause. Citizens have the right to congregate without the government acting like the thought police.
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:37 am

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Tbh, I do kind of agree with camera in mosques. Most public buildings have them after all. Doesn't solve the problem of actually hearing what's being said though.

The rest: no way.


Really? No way man. Private citizens have a right against surveillance without probable cause. Citizens have the right to congregate without the government acting like the thought police.
Are you aware about illegal (underground) Mosques run by non qualified Imams?

Are you aware about Imams all over Europe (especially) who incite hate towards all thase who are not extremist as themselves?(even towards fellow Muslims)

In France they found Mosques full of weapons. But maybe the msm forgot to report this.

Europe has a problem (in America I don't really know the situation) I don't know how these 3rd 4th gen kids are becoming as such!
Maybe as I said earlier the imams who entered Europe not more that two decades ago have poisoned their minds.
Their parents gen was never involved in such things. What has changed?

Then you get the new arrivals... That is another topic

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Re: German members...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:09 am

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FCBayernMunchen wrote:Tbh, I do kind of agree with camera in mosques. Most public buildings have them after all. Doesn't solve the problem of actually hearing what's being said though.

The rest: no way.


Really? No way man. Private citizens have a right against surveillance without probable cause. Citizens have the right to congregate without the government acting like the thought police.


This is exactly why I'm against the rest of the suggestions. But cameras? They're in pretty much all public buildings already, why not religious ones?
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Re: German members...

Postby MUTU » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:53 am

FCBayernMunchen wrote:This is exactly why I'm against the rest of the suggestions. But cameras? They're in pretty much all public buildings already, why not religious ones?

Different context.

In public buildings the cameras are there as a deterrent to vandalism and theft within such building, and should this happen there would be a way to (hopefully) help identify the criminals and bring them to justice.

What you're asking for is cameras set up with the intention of spying on people.
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:15 am

and who told you this is not being done already?
We have to find who is sending these hateful preachers to Europe ? who is polluting us with Wahhabism ?
I believe that Saudi Arabia is the land behind this ... but instead they wanted to give all the blame onto Qatar...
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Re: German members...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:17 am

MUTU wrote:Different context.

In public buildings the cameras are there as a deterrent to vandalism and theft within such building, and should this happen there would be a way to (hopefully) help identify the criminals and bring them to justice.

What you're asking for is cameras set up with the intention of spying on people.

The end goal is the same: increased security without too much invasion of privacy (which tapping phones etc. would be). You will just see a bunch of people praying, just like in a bank you just see a bunch of people queueing.

Besides we have had cases in Malta (for example) of thefts in churches.
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:36 pm

Did not comprehend the theft thing
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Re: German members...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:12 pm

ramsej84 wrote:Did not comprehend the theft thing

Stealing from handbags during services, breaking into churches at night... all in recent months in Malta.

What I perhaps did not make clear is that the vandalism and theft MUTU mentioned with regard to other buildings does happen in religious buildings as well; not that it needs to, I think a public building (which includes religious) should be adequately monitored. Obviously in this case we are talking about mosques not churches, but the same applies.
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:19 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Did not comprehend the theft thing

Stealing from handbags during services, breaking into churches at night... all in recent months in Malta.

What I perhaps did not make clear is that the vandalism and theft MUTU mentioned with regard to other buildings does happen in religious buildings as well; not that it needs to, I think a public building (which includes religious) should be adequately monitored. Obviously in this case we are talking about mosques not churches, but the same applies.
The pick pocketing is alsways performed by the same group of people ... and yes they work inside the Churches as well...

Those who robbed the Churches did so to finance their deadly vices.


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Re: German members...

Postby pyrasur » Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:27 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:Did not comprehend the theft thing

Stealing from handbags during services, breaking into churches at night... all in recent months in Malta.

What I perhaps did not make clear is that the vandalism and theft MUTU mentioned with regard to other buildings does happen in religious buildings as well; not that it needs to, I think a public building (which includes religious) should be adequately monitored. Obviously in this case we are talking about mosques not churches, but the same applies.


Are your religious buildings publicly owned? I would have thought most religious organizations owned their own property. If the building is private, the government doesn’t have the right to surveil without a warrant. There’s nuances but i would hope that’s general principle there anyway. Not that the government doesn’t commit illegal surveillance
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Re: German members...

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:55 pm

They're owned by the Catholic Church and there are very few non-Catholic religious buildings. Don't know whether it's government land or not. Good point though
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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:35 pm

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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:14 am

This is so open-minded https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/928473858860093440

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Re: German members...

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:57 pm

How do the elders allow this to happen?
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