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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby Roonzil » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:12 am

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Roonzil wrote:MUTU, you do realize the points you make are points feminists make as well, right?!! Get men to get more paid maternity leave as well, share the burden of parenthood.

So you say it's fine that I make 70 cents for every dollar you make, even when we do the exact same job and the exact same hours, just bc I could potentially have a child???

As long as I cannot hike alone, travel to certain countries alone, get equal pay for equal work, or get a certain job at all bc of my vagina, you boys need to sit the **** down!

As long as the first question after a rape is "what was she wearing" we are NOT in an equal society!


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Wtf?! How 1950s is your thinking??? And you manage to think women "have it all"? If I work 8 hours a day five days a week, I deserve the same pay as you.

Hypothetical children have f*ck all to do with it. Don't assume all women want kids!




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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:17 am

You think my thinking is old fashioned so what is your thinking, some conspiracy theory that all private business owners have agreed between them to base salary on sexual organs? Just because you don't understand business requirements that are universal doesn't mean you get the right to call the status quo as old-fashioned.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 11:33 am

Also you are getting angry over nothing. If I was an employer and a 50 year old male and female apply for a job with equal skills and zero job experience I would offer them the same wage.

If they were 20 year olds, I wouldn't, just like no employer in the private sector does.

The problem is that by the time they're 50 they would have job experience, and the women would generally have a lower salary than the males at their existing job, so it is more tempting to undercut the female applicant in this case. But it could very well be the other way round.

You compared yourself to me earlier when you probably earn more than me anyway. Last but not least, a woman simply saying she doesn't want kids during the interview doesn't guarantee the employer that she wouldn't have kids in 3 years time, or less. Hypothetically, the woman could be raped later in the day and decides to keep the baby (eg in Malta abortion is illegal so she wouldn't have a choice). Or, more realistically, she could have an accident with her partner. Or, you know, simply a change of heart. It's not unusual for women to change their minds, y'know
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MaCk0y » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:06 pm

One solution is equal paternity leave and equal pay. People will have more kids, business go bust, significant increase in overpopulation and the world ends. Ok maybe the best solution is, one week parternity/maternity leave each and equal pay. The world should survive with this compromise.
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General Rants Thread

Postby Roonzil » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:15 pm

MUTU, you are advocating discrimination based on assumend gender roles.

What if your dad got ill, should I pay you significantly less bc you could get the same disease? Or if I think Southern Europeans are lazy, should I pay you less, bc you might be lazy too? Should we pay left handed people less bc they can be more clumsy and thus a health risk?

Don't know how it is in other countries, but pregnancy leave is paid by the government over here. Absolutely zero reason for anyone to pay equally skilled women any less than men.

I am baffled you think I should earn less than you purely based on my gender...and I stick to my opinion: that's from the 1950s.


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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby tflags » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:12 pm

MUTU wrote:It's not what you want to hear, but yes I think that it is fair that I get paid more due to you having bigger chances of not going in to work or retiring early.


Great MUTU. By that thinking Butt should have had twice the salary Arjen Robben did in 2010. Great job man.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby America USA » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:40 pm

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America USA wrote:I hate Feminists and despise the (modern) Feminist movement..

Had to get that off my chest :x


You hate equal rights for women? Ok...good to know. I can ignore your backwards opinions from now on


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I clearly said Modern feminism. Lol at anyone who thinks the feminist agenda post 2000 is anything even remotely about "equality." Feminism started as a nice thing but it has gradually morphed into an anti-family, anti-marriage, misandric farce!
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:44 pm

MaCk0y wrote:One solution is equal paternity leave and equal pay. People will have more kids, business go bust, significant increase in overpopulation and the world ends. Ok maybe the best solution is, one week parternity/maternity leave each and equal pay. The world should survive with this compromise.

One week each? You realise that in Malta they give women 126 days and men 2 days right? I'd accept equal pay if I was to be out for 126 days to enjoy my child, of course I would!
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:45 pm

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MUTU wrote:It's not what you want to hear, but yes I think that it is fair that I get paid more due to you having bigger chances of not going in to work or retiring early.


Great MUTU. By that thinking Butt should have had twice the salary Arjen Robben did in 2010. Great job man.

If the level of skills were the same, which they weren't, then yes that would be fair.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MaCk0y » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:49 pm

MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:One solution is equal paternity leave and equal pay. People will have more kids, business go bust, significant increase in overpopulation and the world ends. Ok maybe the best solution is, one week parternity/maternity leave each and equal pay. The world should survive with this compromise.

One week each? You realise that in Malta they give women 126 days and men 2 days right? I'd accept equal pay if I was to be out for 126 days to enjoy my child, of course I would!
Yes, but 126 days for both would result in the end of the world as you can see from my detailed analysis.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby America USA » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:56 pm

Roonzil wrote:As long as I cannot hike alone, travel to certain countries alone, get equal pay for equal work, or get a certain job at all bc of my vagina, you boys need to sit the **** down!

Precisely. Feminism movement has served its purpose in the West and now it's becoming more and more about putting females on a pedestal. Meanwhile in countries like Saudi, Pakistan, Iraq, etc women have almost zero rights.

If feminists want to "travel to certain countries alone" then they need to spread their message to those parts of the World too! And good luck with that, unless you get stoned for blasphemy or some other stupid crime

And one final comment on that good ol rape analogy. Women (and Men) need to understand that there are and always will be bad people in this world looking to screw up someone's life. So as a vigilant and smart individual the best you must try to do is avoid such people. This means not going to a violent neighborhood in Detroit after sunset and driving your gf/sister/or any female you know, to her residence yourself instead of letting her all by herself in lonely streets at odd hours. That's asking for trouble and It's just plain old common sense to avoid those situations in the first place.

and one more thing, to stop frequent rapes, the smart option is not to import a large population of young men who come from regressive cultures and view women as property and somehow tend to lose control if they see a woman who's not covered from head to toe.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:12 pm

Roonzil wrote:MUTU, you are advocating discrimination based on assumend gender roles.

Not really, that's what you're reading not what I'm writing.

Roonzil wrote:What if your dad got ill, should I pay you significantly less bc you could get the same disease? Or if I think Southern Europeans are lazy, should I pay you less, bc you might be lazy too? Should we pay left handed people less bc they can be more clumsy and thus a health risk?

Southern Europeans ARE paid less. And if I was to go to work in, say, Sweden, I wouldn't expect to earn the same salary of a Swedish male either.

Roonzil wrote:Don't know how it is in other countries, but pregnancy leave is paid by the government over here. Absolutely zero reason for anyone to pay equally skilled women any less than men.

Even if maternity leave is paid by the government in your country, maternity leave is a huge burden on any business. The business makes profit from the employees, i.e. they should bring the company more money than their salary, directly or indirectly, otherwise they would fire them. Therefore, from the company's perspective, government-paid maternity is equivalent to unpaid vacation leave of 3 months (or however long the maternity leave is in the region) which means that the company is not making the profits off the employee and the company has to deal with a long-term absence, and there's nothing much they can do about it. It's not like they can employ a replacement for 3 months, right?

Roonzil wrote:I am baffled you think I should earn less than you purely based on my gender

I never said you should earn less purely based on gender. There's skills and roles first and foremost. It's not discrimination due to gender, it's discrimination through statistics. I invite you to check the average amount of hours that males work against the average amount of hours that females work, which roughly correspond to the salary gap. This difference in amount of hours comes mainly from maternity leave (which is heavily unbalanced in favour of women, in Malta it's a ratio of 63:1) and perhaps taking care of kids when they're sick etc (because they generally put more value on family than males). The 'discrimination', therefore, is a direct result of this imbalance. If men were granted as much paternity leave, then they should and probably would get equal salaries.

You know when I would agree with you? In case of places where you get paid by the hour, but in a full-time environment as an employer you work by the expect amount of output, and in a child-bearing aged female your estimate is going to be less, so you offer them less than if they were male or if they had already gone through menopause. You need to understand what a burden maternity leave is to employers.

Roonzil wrote:...and I stick to my opinion: that's from the 1950s.

I'm fine with that. Great decisions remain through the times, and this 'opinion' is still fact today, otherwise we wouldn't be discussing the salary gap. Now I gave you justifiable reasons why the salary gap exists and you remain somewhat shocked that it exists... it's like you live in a fantasy world.

If you think my reasons have zero credibility, then I invite you to come up with some reasons yourself as to why the salary gap exists... because either you believe it doesn't exist (which would question why we're even arguing here), or else you think hundreds of millions of employers are biased against women or something of the sort (sounds silly, no?), or else you can come up with justifiable reasons why the gap exists (which would question why you're angry it exists).
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby IsiahRashad » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:40 pm

MUTU wrote:
MaCk0y wrote:One solution is equal paternity leave and equal pay. People will have more kids, business go bust, significant increase in overpopulation and the world ends. Ok maybe the best solution is, one week parternity/maternity leave each and equal pay. The world should survive with this compromise.

One week each? You realise that in Malta they give women 126 days and men 2 days right? I'd accept equal pay if I was to be out for 126 days to enjoy my child, of course I would!


Only 126 days ? What the **** is that ?
As i said before,im a law student (in my final year) and i'm amazed how much days they are giving for maternity in Malta.
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Maternity leave in Bulgaria is 410 days, 45 of which are used before the birth. With the mother's consent, when the child reaches six months, the leave can be transferred to the father for the rest of the period.
During these 410 days, social security beneficiaries who have worked at least 12 months prior to taking the maternity leave are paid an allowance of 90 percent of their gross salary by the National Health Insurance Fund.

Also,at the end of the maternity leave mothers are entitled to parental leave to raise their child until the child reaches the age of two (730 days). This leave also can be transferred to the father or to one of the grandparents who work under an employment contract and have social insurance. The amount of allowance payable during this leave is equal to the minimum monthly wage.

And fathers are entitled to 15 days paid paternity leave following the birth of the baby.
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:44 pm

IsiahRashad wrote:And fathers are entitled to 15 days paid paternity leave following the birth of the baby.

Nice! In Malta it's just 2 working days. I would love to have 15 days to enjoy my newborn child (when he/she is born) but I'm not sure if my employer would even grant me anywhere close to that especially considering that the baby is due in January. Probably I'll get to enjoy the kid for a week at most, and then back to work life as usual :(
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Re: General Rants Thread

Postby MUTU » Thu Aug 17, 2017 2:47 pm

Came back here to rant about paternity leave in Malta again. I just noticed it's not 2 days as I told you, but 1 day.

It's 126 days for women, 1 for men.
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