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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCB general » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:42 am

ramsej84 wrote:Yes that is the one... but luckily he was caught. He had the guts to go and handcuff him! Amazing ...

One of the comments on YouTube which is absolutely proven dozens of times.

If there was no video
-Cop gives false testimony
-Media vilifies victim
-Use of force is justified
-No indictment
- protest
- nothing comes out of protest
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby pyrasur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:20 pm

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Dramatic video shows Arizona police using car to take down suspect from the land of the free... after last week's video that came out showing a Police officer firing and killing an unarmed man at the back... [source]
If something like this happened elsewhere they would have declared a war reason being lack of human rights [-X


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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby pyrasur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:47 pm

Psh found out the dude was running around with a stolen rifle. No longer feeling any sympathy that the police acted to stop this criminal.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:06 pm

pyrasur wrote:Psh found out the dude was running around with a stolen rifle. No longer feeling any sympathy that the police acted to stop this criminal.


that is the way to stop someone?
I repeat, had this happened in a country such as Israel, it would have been called a terror attack!
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby pyrasur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:14 pm

How do you stop him then? You can take your time it's only some suicidal guy. So what if he kills a few innocent people at least it won't be on your hands.


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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby nm462272 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:10 pm

Police in the US have a serious power trip... they are taught to protect themselves first, instead of protecting the public, and i think that's where a lot of the issues come from. Too many people killed by police with no repercussions...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby pyrasur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:54 pm

That's a gross generalization. Of course they are taught that their business is to protect the public, but they have an ROE that authorizes them to take action if the public is at risk or if they are themselves. I rather they take action if there is a risk to the public. They are making decisions without certainty but they damn well better err on the side of keeping me and other innocent people safe.

When there is clearly no danger to the public, then the police should be held accountable. The police that choked that guy out should have been held responsible. Until then, you have to side with the guys who are charged with keeping us safe when they have seconds to make a decision. They are dealing with suicidals and people on drugs who can't be stopped by normal means. If the criminal wanted rights, he should not have made a dangerous situation to begin with.

The guy who got hit with a car is alive? If you ask me he's lucky that's all that happened.



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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby nm462272 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:05 pm

I agree regarding those who present a clear danger. If someone is aiming a gun at a police office, then the officer certainly should take action. The same applies if that person is a danger to those around him, IF deadly force is warranted. At the same time though, officers who use excessive force need to be held responsible and not be protected by the system.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby pyrasur » Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:44 pm

From my experience if one has a reasonable expectation that someone poses a danger, they are required to take action. It does not have to be 100% certainty, but if someone creates a risk, the law removes their right to protection in the interest of general safety. From there the response has to be proportional to the risk.

Not a lawyer or anything, but that's my understanding of how the ROE works. Totally agree though that officers should be held responsible, but you have to be careful. It's easy to Monday quarterback, much harder to make a decision in a few seconds. Their training tells them they must make a decision, even if they are not 100% certain it's the right one. But better 70% than no decision at all.


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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby nm462272 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 5:12 pm

pyrasur wrote:From my experience if one has a reasonable expectation that someone poses a danger, they are required to take action. It does not have to be 100% certainty, but if someone creates a risk, the law removes their right to protection in the interest of general safety. From there the response has to be proportional to the risk.

Not a lawyer or anything, but that's my understanding of how the ROE works. Totally agree though that officers should be held responsible, but you have to be careful. It's easy to Monday quarterback, much harder to make a decision in a few seconds. Their training tells them they must make a decision, even if they are not 100% certain it's the right one. But better 70% than no decision at all.


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It becomes a slippery slope and we end up seeing exactly what we've seen lately - cops kill someone because of perceived "risk". I would hate for police to become judge and executioner.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:42 pm

maybe they have something like this and we don't know :?
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Machiavellico » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:16 pm

I'm curious. What's with all the hate from football fans on RB Leipzig?
I get the way they came on stage with all the money and stuff, but the way they choose for a rather young side is something quite admirable(at least in my view). And the guy that calls the shots there now, Rangnick, he's a pretty darn impressive guy. What he did with Hoffenheim is something special.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby nm462272 » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:45 pm

Machiavellico wrote:I'm curious. What's with all the hate from football fans on RB Leipzig?
I get the way they came on stage with all the money and stuff, but the way they choose for a rather young side is something quite admirable(at least in my view). And the guy that calls the shots there now, Rangnick, he's a pretty darn impressive guy. What he did with Hoffenheim is something special.


Pretty sure it's all about that Red Bull ownership
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Machiavellico » Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:54 pm

So? They're not like oil moghuls or russian richboys. They don't(at least for now) throw money left and right for notable players which already have a name on their back. If they keep this policy with exciting prospects, it'll be a great team to watch once it reaches Bundesliga.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby prasun77 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:45 pm

An interesting question..Do you believe in ghosts/supernatural?
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