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Re: Arjen Robben

Postby AdepT » Fri Dec 05, 2014 2:46 pm

MUTU wrote:
AdepT wrote:IMO, contextual translation won't be 100% correct. The literal meaning and contextual meanings can change the understanding of a statement. Natural language processing is a very vast field. For correct translations, you'd need to feed unimaginable size of data - all meanings, semantics, uses, forms etc.
Technology may close the gap but cannot better the field of human language understanding.
However, it is the most lingual 'person', if I may say so.

It's a question of time. In the mid 90s, computers beat the top humans at chess. It's only a matter of time until computers beat top humans at translation. Currently they're working on a mobile app that will be launched in a few years' time that allows you to talk to a foreigner in your native language and he'd hear you talking in his language. That's even more complicated as it needs strong voice recognition as well.


Chess and language. It's even wrong to consider it. Firstly, everything in chess is 'definite', no such thing for language. Secondly, just looked it up now, the total no. of moves in chess could be 10 to power 23. English has more than 10 to the power 6 words. Start building sentences by putting in those words and there would be no end to it. I am not sure if there's even an estimate like that. Not like everything would be meaningful but what I am getting at is objectivity and subjectivity. It's going to take a long time and huge databases and I don't know what to achieve the contextual translation.

As for the mobile app, I know of that idea. I think there's already many apps if I understood your concept clearly. I have not tried this but found one. Voice Translator
The main challenge here too would be on translation. Voice recognition, Speech-To-Text, Text-to-Speech have already come far ahead. Still, the software will only be as correct as it's size of languages and phonetic sounds.

I'm not denying that it can't be done. Semantic understanding is getting better but contextual understanding is where I have my doubts.
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Re: Arjen Robben

Postby MUTU » Fri Dec 05, 2014 6:16 pm

AdepT wrote:I'm not denying that it can't be done. Semantic understanding is getting better but contextual understanding is where I have my doubts.

At least, someone who has some faith in technology. I don't have my doubts though, I bet it will be better than humans, especially in terms of sarcasm detection for example. And I think it can be achieved in 5 years' time. Technology is accelerating really fast.... the first Android came out 5 years ago, 2 months ago and for years it's been the most common Operating System in the world. There's a lot of work to do, but it's doable. If anyone is taking a career choice of translator, think again, because you'll be looking for a different job pretty soon.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:34 pm

I'm in between both sides on the matter. MUTU is perfectly right that technology is improving at unbelievable speeds. Adding the fact that Natural Language Processing is probably one of the most growing fields in science and it's easy to see why one would believe that such a level of machine translation is possible. That said, the others raise good points. I think it might be possible but MUTU's prediction of 5 years is waaaay too optimistic in my opinion. There are A LOT of issues that need to be tackled first, the most obvious of which is context, which can prove to be a hard case because translation programs are not always given the whole context.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Ottomeister13 » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:42 pm

I only say military ;)
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Rauntšik » Sat Dec 06, 2014 5:06 pm

At the moment, thanks to Newcastle, we are the only team in Europe's top 5 leagues, who are unbeaten in their domestic league.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby prasun77 » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:15 pm

Rauntšik wrote:At the moment, thanks to Newcastle, we are the only team in Europe's top 5 leagues, who are unbeaten in their domestic league.

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby JANKER » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:18 pm

Germany, England, Spain, Holland, Italy. Top 5... Shhh!
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby runaway » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:25 pm

Isn't Portugal part of the Top 5 in the official ranking?
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby JANKER » Sat Dec 06, 2014 6:27 pm

Yeah, they probably are but that is not convenient to us right now because Porto didn't lose neither. I really don't care about that... just kidding around.
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Re: General Chat Thread

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCB general » Sat Dec 06, 2014 11:44 pm

JANKER wrote:Yeah, they probably are but that is not convenient to us right now because Porto didn't lose neither. I really don't care about that... just kidding around.

I know that Dinamo won today against main opponent 3:0, if we can call NK Rijeka a title contender. :lol:

However, on the other side, Rijeka decide about themselves in the last, away match against Sevilla to qualify in the next round. They must - win. Dinamo is out even before season has started. :lol:
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby runaway » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:03 pm

Anyone can translate this in German for me? "The stadium success built."

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Ottomeister13 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 1:35 pm

Dass Stadion dass Erfolg gebaut hat..
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby runaway » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:33 pm

Thanks man.



@Frank_Ribery I feel your pain bro. :(

Malaysia upset Vietnam currently 4-1 (5-3 agg) in the second leg of Suzuki cup semis. Vietnam won the first leg 2-1. Malaysia got an early penalty to level. Vietnam's keeper rushed out of his box, miscommunication with his defender and a chip goal. Viet pulled one back from a penalty. 2-2. But everything went downhill from there for them. What an atmosphere though before Malaysia's 3rd goal. Hehehe they're shell shocked.

Edit: what an excitement in the last minutes. Viets are much better counterattacking. Got another goal 4-2. Malaysia's bus is parked. Viets wasted so many chances. What an upset. Thailand will probably win this tourney after 4 final apperances.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:48 pm



Pepe was involved in most of the vid... He will be remembered as one of the most hated players ever.
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