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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby DerKaiser » Wed Jul 23, 2014 10:02 am

Not just 100 of the world top HIV specialists but those associated with charity work and no pharmceutical company association.... sounds like a corporation--cia--ukraine rebels kill to me
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby lau03143 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:05 pm

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lau03143 wrote:What do you mean by "homo-liberalised"?

I see what they are trying to do about Scottish independance, disgrace! For what? Who are they[West politicians] to lead propaganda against one people and nation, in this case yours?


Indeed. The propaganda at play from Westminster has been nothing short of disgraceful in terms of Scottish independance.

The main crux of their argument is that Scotland is too poor to survive on its own, and that the rest of the UK (rUK) subsidise Scotland. That is something which bewilders me, as why would the rUK still want Scotland part of the Union if we are being subsidise. The reason is that they are lying, and independant audits show that Scotland contribues more to the Exchequer than we receive making us a net contributor to the union. So, it is in the rUK self interest to keep us part of the Union.

On a global scale though, the past few months have been increasingly worrying.

The Middle East and Africa have gone to sh!t to put it frankly; almost entirley to do with religion. The only way to solve the issues between Muslims and the rest is through dialogue and collaboration. All religions can live together (whether or not religious beliefs can be justified rationally in the modern times we live in is another matter), but so as long as we have organised religion, it justs seems we will have perpetual violence, and it's just not needed. Progress I think (and hope) is being made with Iran in recent months. I have always wanted to go to Iran and see the Persian penninsula; it really does look one of the most wonderous and ancient places of the world.

Whilst the Ukraine situation is a East/West manufactured disaster, all down to money. The West, especially the UK (London in particularly London) is bankrolled by the Russians. Whether it be property, direct investment or donations to political parties. The UK is jumping on the Russia element of this to justify the use of fracking for extracting gas from the ground which is being fought by many in the country; whilst the rest of Europe can't go overboard on sanctions as it will damage their economies and standard of living. In terms of Europe, this confromtation almost appears to be one of the first prolonged examples of economic warfare (excluding possibly North Korea and maybe Iran).
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby lau03143 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:07 pm

DerKaiser wrote:Not just 100 of the world top HIV specialists but those associated with charity work and no pharmceutical company association.... sounds like a corporation--cia--ukraine rebels kill to me


I saw that too... Last time I was in Vienna (2010), the same AIDS conference was on. It's weird to think that many of the people I may have seen in passing on the U-Bahn or walking about with their conference badges would have been blown out of the sky in such circumstances.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:37 pm

lau03143 wrote:
FCB general wrote:
lau03143 wrote:What do you mean by "homo-liberalised"?

I see what they are trying to do about Scottish independance, disgrace! For what? Who are they[West politicians] to lead propaganda against one people and nation, in this case yours?


Indeed. The propaganda at play from Westminster has been nothing short of disgraceful in terms of Scottish independance.

The main crux of their argument is that Scotland is too poor to survive on its own, and that the rest of the UK (rUK) subsidise Scotland. That is something which bewilders me, as why would the rUK still want Scotland part of the Union if we are being subsidise. The reason is that they are lying, and independant audits show that Scotland contribues more to the Exchequer than we receive making us a net contributor to the union. So, it is in the rUK self interest to keep us part of the Union.

On a global scale though, the past few months have been increasingly worrying.

The Middle East and Africa have gone to sh!t to put it frankly; almost entirley to do with religion. The only way to solve the issues between Muslims and the rest is through dialogue and collaboration. All religions can live together (whether or not religious beliefs can be justified rationally in the modern times we live in is another matter), but so as long as we have organised religion, it justs seems we will have perpetual violence, and it's just not needed. Progress I think (and hope) is being made with Iran in recent months. I have always wanted to go to Iran and see the Persian penninsula; it really does look one of the most wonderous and ancient places of the world.

Whilst the Ukraine situation is a East/West manufactured disaster, all down to money. The West, especially the UK (London in particularly London) is bankrolled by the Russians. Whether it be property, direct investment or donations to political parties. The UK is jumping on the Russia element of this to justify the use of fracking for extracting gas from the ground which is being fought by many in the country; whilst the rest of Europe can't go overboard on sanctions as it will damage their economies and standard of living. In terms of Europe, this confromtation almost appears to be one of the first prolonged examples of economic warfare (excluding possibly North Korea and maybe Iran).


What is the general feeling about independence? Do you think you have a chance to acquire it? I really wish it will happen, you've got a very,very rich history and you deserve to be free...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:03 pm

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby lau03143 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:07 pm

I'm going to vote Yes. The Westminster system is severly broken, ruled by the rich and controlled by coorporate lobbiers (such as Russian Oligarchs).

This is a chance for us to start again.

But, if it ends up a no vote, then hopefully my vote acts as a wake-up call for the rUK to change (which in my heart of hearts don't believe it will).

I think support for Independance has plateued around the 40% mark making it look unlikey this time around. Though, if the Yes vote is about this level, I think it will lead to another referendum if the SNP can maintain control of Holyrood (our devolved parliament); if things haven't changed significantly for the better, then I think Independance is likely.

For me, this isn't just a vote on what will make me richer, its the fundamental principles of democracy - self-determination.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:17 pm

you just need to watch this to convince your fellow countrymen :

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCB general » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:26 pm

lau03143 wrote:The main crux of their argument is that Scotland is too poor to survive on its own, and that the rest of the UK (rUK) subsidise Scotland. That is something which bewilders me, as why would the rUK still want Scotland part of the Union if we are being subsidise. The reason is that they are lying, and independant audits show that Scotland contribues more to the Exchequer than we receive making us a net contributor to the union. So, it is in the rUK self interest to keep us part of the Union.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: No more Scottish oil from the northern sea if I'm not mistaken, no more taxes. :P

lau03143 wrote:On a global scale though, the past few months have been increasingly worrying.

I'm not worried that much. Everything is ok in most of the world, but the problem is with so called Western civilization which is supposed to be led by USA, which some people strongly disagree. And they think that USA cannot interefer in other civilizations and their way of live. I mean... Where are the borders of West if everything fits to them?

What's East then, south or north? Putin is a bad guy, but nobody doesn't believe in those cheap lies. I see one big nothing, only lies, lies, lies and just lies. That's the whole point of US foreign policy. What enemies? Who are our enemies in Europe? Of course, some people can see and say that we have an inner enemy in our society, some people don't. Whom to believe? That's the main problem whole faking time.
Well, I believe nobody. I just like to take a pen in my hand, make 2 columns with one vertical line as a border and start putting the proper words as good and as bad. Every time I'll find more bad things(mostly lies from the paid liars), but less good things. It should be quite opposite, but it simply isn't.

lau03143 wrote:The Middle East and Africa have gone to sh!t to put it frankly; almost entirley to do with religion. The only way to solve the issues between Muslims and the rest is through dialogue and collaboration. All religions can live together (whether or not religious beliefs can be justified rationally in the modern times we live in is another matter), but so as long as we have organised religion, it justs seems we will have perpetual violence, and it's just not needed.

These are not religions, those are sects and they use specific ideology. Ideology of fear, force, death, power, ignorance. They are very smart and educated, but not those people on the Middle East which they know so little about everything. So they always come up with the killing, the cut-off heads, etc. to bring fear, but also to rule all of them. That's sick and pure evil!

Sunni sects are global problem, not basic Sunni islam. I have islam in my neighborhood, in Bosnia-Herzegovina, my second country where my parents and my ancestors were all born. There weren't any problems during the communism, but after 1991 when the Homeland War started in Croatia, when the ethnic war started in BiH, over a time Bosniak leader Alija Izetbegović decided to create a unit of islamic fighters(mujahidins) in war against Serbs, but also Croats in BiH parts where Croats formed majority or were 50%-50% proportion.
By forming Islamic declaration Izetbegović not only had led a national war, but also religious and that he wanted to create islamic state in the middle of Europe.
Those butchers from Middle East came to BiH and started to teach Euro muslims about fighting, their way of seeing islam, etc. Now that was the worst decision during the war and after the war. Some of them stayed after the war and today there's possibility of spreading Wahhabism and Salafi ideas which nobody has an interest, neither Muslims, nor Serbs(Orthodox) nor Croats(Catholics).

Bosniaks were never religious fantatics because they're influenced by their Christian roots, Europe culture, Slavic genes, etc. The same goes with Kosovo and Albania. But some Arab lobbies have been working on that, so we have people who went to Syria to fight against Assad.
Even Turkey under Atatürk has changed completely but these days turkish prime minister Erdogan wants to become a new Suleyman the Magnificent, who is 1000% deep in corruption, extinguishes protests, bans social networks where his criminal is coming out all the time.


But in some things is to blame only USA and Europe. They don't respect all kinds of cultures, traditions, the way of life in the Middle East, custums, etc. Democracy cannot stop someone to live as he wants to, for nobody. If someone doesn't agree with something, he/she must be respected. But these days I see huge disrespect to many people who were 70-80 years ago considered as role models of western culture which are today characterized as primitive and barbaric.

It's not people's fault when you let muslims in your country without any checkouts, tests, etc. Uncontrolled imigration and democracy led those people there and there's nothing unusual about their behavior, custums in Europe, etc.

Money talks, money rules. Private lobbies are those who create laws, not the people, not the culture and tradition, not elections and democracy, etc. Who doesn't see it last 20 years, he's got a problem.

I mean, where's privacy in USA? Where's revolution in that country. That's a direct attack on freedom when NSA, CIA, FBI are spying own people. That has nothing to do with freedom, democracy, not to mention human rights.

The natives in Europe and people in USA are fault for these scenarios, not muslims.

Muslims are just a tool for sick Western ideology to spread across the world. I mean, Sunnis and Shias are still in war for Muhamed's successor and West is there to take oil, gas, profit. That piss them very bad.

It's very hard to fit all of these things in one.

But one is sure - it's always about profit and power. Those elite centers don't think about anything, they will use everything to reach their targets.


Something similar goes in Latin America where you have Latin, generally Catholic people who also have problems with the West. Almost entire world has a problem with USA and their European puppets, either they're Muslims or Catholic or Orthodox or Budists or Hindu... It's always about ideology and profit.

Now that religion we Croats have fought for almost 50 years. Now we have to fight against neoliberalism(both economic and cultural). We are always in somekind of war in the last 1000 years, I guess that's the point of the life, you always have battles to lead against something or someone.

Imagine Kurdish people, last 5000 years they are fighting to establish their own state. 5000 years... What a number... 5000 years...

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCB general » Wed Jul 23, 2014 2:47 pm

Here's another one:

TransAsia plane crash lands in Taiwan, dozens reported killed

Airplanes are becoming dangerous.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:04 pm

FCB general wrote:Here's another one:

TransAsia plane crash lands in Taiwan, dozens reported killed

Airplanes are becoming dangerous.


Lol classic fallacy, news on airplane disasters has grown recently but it doesn't mean airplanes are now dangerous. The fact that they are thousands and possibly millions of commercial flights everyday and we only hear of a handful of airplane accidents in a year says it all. :P
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Postby FCB general » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:32 pm

Firefox1234 wrote:Lol classic fallacy, news on airplane disasters has grown recently but it doesn't mean airplanes are now dangerous. The fact that they are thousands and possibly millions of commercial flights everyday and we only hear of a handful of airplane accidents in a year says it all. :P

You're right, it has sounded really harsh from me.

I know the air traffic is the safest of all. :wink: But if you ask me, I've always wanted to travel with ship on seas and oceans.

There's something in what attracts me... Maybe that came when I was a boy, through cartoons, books an movies about sea journeys, especially with sailboats. I used to collect sailboats made of wood as a little kid. :) But they all went to cousins in Germany and they've never come back. :D
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:11 pm

more conspiracy theories [source]
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby Firefox1234 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:24 pm

ramsej84 wrote:
more conspiracy theories [source]

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:24 pm

For me the biggest problem in the modern world is a lack of identity. The truth is that many countries have lost their identity and now there is supposedly only one correct one (that of the USA). Europe acts collectively now, usually agreeing with the US. No one else can realistically hope to oppose the West. Whatever anyone thought about the Soviet Union, it is a fact that the fall of the East has presented us with a very dangerous political situation where the USA and its allies can pretty much do whatever they want.

It is true that, especially in Europe, we now have many less wars than ever before. However, disagreement is good, as long as it doesn't escalate to something like war. We no longer have that today.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:27 pm

Firefox1234 wrote:
ramsej84 wrote:
more conspiracy theories [source]

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I only read the first one...
It sounds scary bit it cannot be possible...
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