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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby The Spyware » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:27 pm

Happy Birthday man :D
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby shileno » Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:59 pm

Happy birthday appudds :)
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby hgb09 » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:16 pm

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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby AvatarX » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:21 pm

Happy birthday appudds :D
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby KAHN » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:47 pm

Happy birthday Appudds =D>
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby appudds » Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:29 am

Thanks a lot MUTU, Mackoy, FC BayernMunchen, The spyware, hgb09, AvatarX and KAHN.. :)
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby AvatarX » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:15 pm

We live in a media driven society:

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Without Steve Jobs (February 24, 1955 – October 5, 2011) we would have:
No iProducts
No over expensive laptops

Without Dennis Ritchie (September 9, 1941 – October 12, 2011) we would have:
No Windows
No Unix
No C
No Programs
A large setback in computing
No Generic-text Languages.
We would all read in Binary..

They died in the same year and the same month but it seems only few notice the death of Dennis Ritchie compared to Steve Jobs.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby tflags » Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:47 pm

Funny, I would have thought of all people, the Unix community would be standing in line first to thank Jobs for its revival of a decaying OS that now sits on almost every phone and tablet in the planet and one of the hippiest PCs & laptops around. And BTW, MACs are not expensive. PCs are simply cheap. You can't expect a gallizion companies competing against each other coming up with the same price as another one who makes its own hardware and the software that runs it now, do you?
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby KAHN » Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:41 am

Well probably as much as 90% of inventors never earned big money on there inventions. But people who sometimes didn't even know anything about those inventions make millions on them. Economics is a science that in this world tops everything else. All your knowledge and intellect counts for nothing if you don't know how to sell it.
About Ritchie, well at list he lived a good and wealthy life and was prised for his work. Unlike a lot of other geniuses who spend there whole lives in poverty and without any recognition.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby AvatarX » Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:31 am

tflags wrote:Funny, I would have thought of all people, the Unix community would be standing in line first to thank Jobs for its revival of a decaying OS that now sits on almost every phone and tablet in the planet and one of the hippiest PCs & laptops around.


I disagree. Decaying OS? Unix / Linux is the majority of servers worldwide. Not much in desktops, but in servers still the most popular solution (64% - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_shar ... ms#Servers ). And actually if we (I count myself a part of Unix community as I use almost only Linux for more than the past decade) have to thank someone, this is Google for Android which is based on Linux kernel, not Jobs for this closed source and limited license iOS (Apple, Inc. does not license iOS for installation on third-party hardware.)

tflags wrote:You can't expect a gallizion companies competing against each other coming up with the same price as another one who makes its own hardware and the software that runs it now, do you?


Actually the reason of Apple products being so expensive is that they wanted to be that expensive. That's why they didn't give license to permit running their software in other hardware (similar to IBM compatibles hardware of the late 80's - the reason why PC became so cheap...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby quaazi » Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:03 am

Apple is every bit as much of an evil corporate empire as Microsoft is. The difference is marketing.

I would love to use free software instead, but lack of support for programs and games means my Ubuntu CD is being used as a coaster. :P
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby AvatarX » Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:28 am

quaazi wrote:I would love to use free software instead, but lack of support for programs and games means my Ubuntu CD is being used as a coaster. :P


A lot of things depend on what you need to do most of the times, but surely Windows are much more friendly and appropriate for a desktop user, while for servers Linux / Unix are more easier to be automated etc.

Ubuntu coaster? :P In my work I have a windows 7 original CD as a coaster, just to tease my coworkers who like them (I use Linux there, too) :P
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby quaazi » Tue Nov 08, 2011 11:24 am

Yeah, that's true. I'm not ready for the shift to advanced mode that are Unix based systems just yet.
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby tflags » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:52 pm

Mac OS X, iOS, Next OS (or whatever that name was). Aren't they all Unix variants? And you are wrong. Thanks to Jobs, Unix is the new solution to consumer devices, the other side being Google's bargain priced purchase Android.
And you can't expect a company who values its products not to choose the closed solution route. Most computer literate users want freedom & control of their devices, but not so the average user who just wants a device for a specific purpose. That is why apple stores around the world are full of people trying & testing their products. If you call that a failure well, please I want to fail miserably....
If you appreciate Google, well, Google certainly appreciates all they learned from sitting and copying ideas from Apple board meetings until they got kicked out...
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Re: General Chat Thread

Postby AvatarX » Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:41 pm

tflags wrote: If you call that a failure well, please I want to fail miserably....


I don't call it failure, but a marketing masterpiece. Marketing, and design, not coding.

tflags wrote:And you can't expect a company who values its products not to choose the closed solution route


Well, imagine if Ritchie did not give the code of Unix and C. Then Jobs would not have the basic structure for OSX and then iOS to sell his goodies :)

tflags wrote:If you appreciate Google, well, Google certainly appreciates all they learned from sitting and copying ideas from Apple board meetings until they got kicked out...


Actually I don't like Google either, because they have a strange perception of user's privacy boundaries. In general I'm not very fond of those 3 big corporations (Microsoft included) who in their fields almost monopoly the users choices. It is always better to have many choices. IMHO less Choice means less Freedom.
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