shileno wrote:but you can't say every south american is like Diego, Robinho or Neymar, divas are in every country, including Japan.
I wasn't saying that, and I absolutely agree with the essence of your post. There are exceptions to everything everywhere.
You can stretch it to other players too, ask what Inter fans think of Nagatomo or what Stuttgart fans think of Okazaki, who was a massive factor for them in avoiding relegation. Even scored against us.
shileno wrote:Also, there are 3 japanese against tons of great players like Gustavo, Vidal, Barrios, Grafite, Josue, Guerrero, Ramos and many more.
Guerrero? Really? The guy who hit a fan with a bottle and injured him in his face while walking back to the dressing-room? And Vidal who can't build a single understandable sentence in German even though he's been in Leverkusen for 4 years now? That's a factor too, the willingness to learn the language of the country you're playing in. You've got Hasebe who's speaking almost accent-free German, and he's been at Wolfsburg since 2008, I think.
I'm sure there are undisciplined and unfocused Japanese footballers out there just like there are South American ones. It’s just about putting things into perspective. You monitor a hundred Japanese players who moved to a European club and compare them to a hundred South American players who did the same thing. I say, while you're probably gonna get undisciplined players from both sides, you're likely to get more South American players who behaved improperly at their club at some point during their stint, lacked hard-work or teamplay than Japanese players. You might call it prejudice, I'll call it a legitimate claim based on what we've seen so far. I might be wrong, but I'm usually not.
shileno wrote:I don't know, the best players out there are south americans, and to be like that you need to work hard.
Of course hard work is a big part of it, but you also can't deny that these players are just blessed with more natural talent and football in these regions has a better and longer tradition. And again, I did not say ALL South American players are lazy and unprofessional, while ALL Japanese players are working animals. Just like I said above, putting things into perspective.
quaazi wrote:Usami was dropped from the NT because of being a lazy diva, and you keep justifying your belief in his work rate by claiming he's Japanese.
We'll see about that soon enough, I'm not justifying anything. If he is a "lazy diva", he'll fail here just like any other player would, belonging to any another nationality. But I'll get back to you on that one in a few months, and you can do the same.
quaazi wrote:Your ability to turn jokes into unrelated ad hominem attacks is absolutely astounding! Truly a phenomenal skill that will help you much in your life
If you weren't yet, let me have the pleasure of making you aware of the fact that at times on the Internet it's kind of difficult to notice what's meant to be ironic and what's not. Smileys help. And let that be my issue, what will help me in my life or not.
tflags wrote:Dude, if I knew where you are from, I wouldn't dare call the rest of your country mates, football players or not, less or more ethical than any person from any other country.
You are twisting and turning this, it's unbelievable. I was talking about footballers, Japanese at that, coming to Europe, statistically showing a more professional attitude at their workplace. When did I ever, even in the slightest, imply South American or Japanese people in general?
I acknowledge making such points is a delicate thing, because there's the tendency to immediately push you into the "oh, look there’s that prejudiced, generalizing guy" corner, but I stand behind my opinion and there's nothing incorrect about it.
However, it's good to know that the forum has such attentive caretakers, who react so preemptively to what they believe is an up-and-coming "national stereotype". Very commendable, indeed. I'd recommend you guys to be the sheriff's (MUTU) deputies here. Even give you an imaginary medal. That'd be fun, right. Very, very admirable.
Oh and by the way, still no counter-arguments. Just the usual pseudo-moral lesson I was expecting.
USBayernMunichFan wrote:Let's just hope Usami turns out to be a good - if not great - player. Who cares where he was born or what nationality he is
Yea, I think that's something we can all agree upon.