shileno wrote:but you can't say every south american is like Diego, Robinho or Neymar, divas are in every country, including Japan.
shileno wrote:Also, there are 3 japanese against tons of great players like Gustavo, Vidal, Barrios, Grafite, Josue, Guerrero, Ramos and many more.
shileno wrote:I don't know, the best players out there are south americans, and to be like that you need to work hard.
quaazi wrote:Usami was dropped from the NT because of being a lazy diva, and you keep justifying your belief in his work rate by claiming he's Japanese.
quaazi wrote:Your ability to turn jokes into unrelated ad hominem attacks is absolutely astounding! Truly a phenomenal skill that will help you much in your life
tflags wrote:Dude, if I knew where you are from, I wouldn't dare call the rest of your country mates, football players or not, less or more ethical than any person from any other country.
USBayernMunichFan wrote:Let's just hope Usami turns out to be a good - if not great - player. Who cares where he was born or what nationality he is
We'll see about that soon enough, I'm not justifying anything. If he is a "lazy diva", he'll fail here just like any other player would, belonging to any another nationality. But I'll get back to you on that one in a few months, and you can do the same.
MrLinky wrote:If you weren't yet, let me have the pleasure of making you aware of the fact that at times on the Internet it's kind of difficult to notice what's meant to be ironic and what's not. Smileys help. And let that be my issue, what will help me in my life or not.
MrLinky wrote:You can stretch it to other players too, ask what Inter fans think of Nagatomo or what Stuttgart fans think of Okazaki, who was a massive factor for them in avoiding relegation. Even scored against us.
MrLinky wrote:Guerrero? Really? The guy who hit a fan with a bottle and injured him in his face while walking back to the dressing-room? And Vidal who can't build a single understandable sentence in German even though he's been in Leverkusen for 4 years now? That's a factor too, the willingness to learn the language of the country you're playing in. You've got Hasebe who's speaking almost accent-free German, and he's been at Wolfsburg since 2008, I think.
MrLinky wrote:Of course hard work is a big part of it, but you also can't deny that these players are just blessed with more natural talent and football in these regions has a better and longer tradition. And again, I did not say ALL South American players are lazy and unprofessional, while ALL Japanese players are working animals. Just like I said above, putting things into perspective.
shileno wrote:That kind of attitude is because they're new players, they need to earn everything.
shileno wrote:I'm not gonna judge a player for a single mistake or for his education. Guerrero is one of Peru leaders and best examples, along with Vargas, or at least after some scandals. About Vidal, why learn german when you have a translator to help you? It seems language is not an issue for him in the field, that or Heynckes speaks a very good spanish.
shileno wrote:I disagree. Many people think talent is everything
quaazi wrote:Wow, talk about backtracking! Now you're telling me to shut up and do the thing I was totally for in the start - not make premature conclusions about a player. If only everything was this easy.
quaazi wrote:See, even if I was not joking, that would still have been an ad hominem attack and as such petty debating.
MrLinky wrote:You're making up excuses. How about the players coming late to training camp then? You've got an excuse for that too? Players get provoked all the time, you don't hit a fan with a bottle in his face and hurt him just because he said something, the fact that the guy was a fan of Hamburg himself just makes it worse. And of course speaking the language is important. Or why do you think our club's directors always insist on hiring a German-speaking coach? Certain things are very difficult to translate and they can lose the real meaning of how it was meant in the process. That doesn't mean you can't do well for yourself if you don't speak the language, but it’s preferable. It makes fathoming things easier.
MrLinky wrote:You only read what you want to read too, right? Please show me the part where I said talent is everything. I'd be very grateful. But at least you try to add a sense of constructiveness to the discussion, unlike other users who are out to condemn people for their legitimate opinion and attack them on a personal basis because of some sort of weird and unrelated feeling of "moral superiority". I give you credit for that.
Aequitas1987 wrote:instead of generalizing SA players as one group maybe we should stereotype their mentality based on Argentinians or Brazilians (specifically), I agree with this
tflags wrote:Your posts are long and tiresome.
tflags wrote:You call South American football players less ethical than Japanese ones.
Aequitas1987 wrote:To be fair to Mr.Linky, I personally did not feel in any way that what he stated is an outrageous insult towards SA culture
shileno wrote:Well yeah, there are players who play and act different with his club and NT. Guerrero might be one of them, I was only judging him by his recent matches.
shileno wrote:Or at least you said talent makes the difference, right?
tflags wrote:Please. If you want to throw the dart at ANY player, go right ahead. You will have sound arguments most probably. When you make ANY COUNTRY a brander of one kind of bad sportsmanship, it is insulting.
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