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Re: FIFA

Postby MUTU » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:36 am

Now give Blatter the electric chair please for his actions that led to the genocide in Qatar.
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Re: FIFA

Postby tflags » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:06 pm

ramsej84 wrote: The first edition in Uruguay was already full of corruption. Uruguay was chosen after a promise by the then Fifa Pres (I don't remember what was all about) Many European teams did not participate who because of the travelling involved and who for other reasons.


How typical ramsej, comparing events a 80 years ago with people marred by money and power today. People on the early days of football didn't have budgets, didn't have large crowds and chose stuff like century anniversaries to grant requesting nations the honor of hosting these pale events that lagged largely behind the truly important matters such as the Olympics.

Uruguay, besides being an early member of FIFA along with France, England and Real Madrid (Spain didn't have a FA) , requested to host the event in light of their anniversary and FIFA members were largely in awe of their inspiring interest in football, interest that crowned the world champions (really gold medallists as its closest version) at the Olympics in Paris in 1924 and their tour through Spain in the years that followed. The Garra Charrúa, an indigenous term related to people from Uruguay who played with courage (and nails) became one of the earliest terms in world football and separated the meticulous defenderless formations of Europe versus the dribbling, one man teams of South America.

Ramsej, you may choose to live your life writing BS you hear around. But for once you may also choose to read and be informed. Hope you choose the latter soon.
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Re: FIFA

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:22 pm

my apologies... I based it on what I saw in that film ...
But about the 1934 and 38 you cannot contradict me.
And what about the one in Argentina 1978 ?
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Re: FIFA

Postby tflags » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:18 pm

ramsej84 wrote:And what about the one in Argentina 1978 ?


Please enlighten me ramsej. What about Argentina 1978?
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Re: FIFA

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 5:39 pm

I was not talking about the fact that it was awarded to Argentina (which then was also run by a dictator) but the fact that many decisions went in favour of the host country which went on to win before their Dictator... The same as happened in Italy '34.
You might say that the same can happen in Russia... The only difference is that he is not a dictator...

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Re: FIFA

Postby tflags » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:16 pm

ramsej84 wrote:I was not talking about the fact that it was awarded to Argentina (which then was also run by a dictator)


Good, because then you would have to realize the country got awarded the WC during the Perón years, a highly popular political figure which unfortunately got thrown by the Videla dictatorhsip only two years prior to the WC and with the tournament - even the f*cking logo - already well on its way. The logo being Peron himself with open arms receiving the ball, something the military wanted to change but couldn't possibly do so.

As for the match rigging, I'm afraid I remember parts of the cup and I can tell you the final, at least, wasn't something anyone could dispute. But yes, you could blame FIFA for allowing match fixing. But then again, what happens with il calcio, Juventus more precisely in recent years? Or Germany 1972? What about Austria and Germany themselves? Should those matches be forgotten only to put the blame solely on one party?

Match fixing, history is well aware, ins't particularly homed on one organization. So, again, you might want to put this one on FIFA, but the cancer is well spread worldwide.
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Re: FIFA

Postby Korab » Wed Jun 03, 2015 7:53 pm

You guys are arguing about some little things, controversies, 10 mln to Diaspora and so on. The whole affair blown up of proportions by western media. http://cointelegraph.com/news/114425/to ... es-scandal. I wonder why the same media are not really after big guys, why FBI and American DOJ doesn’t investigate big fish like JP Morgan Chase (maybe bank is too big for them)? Just little example of bank clean operations (other banks are similar):
Misleading CDO Investments
• JP Morgan fined $153.6 million
• Settled on 6/21/2011
Anticompetitive Conduct in Municipal Bonds
• JP Morgan fined $228 million
• Settled on 7/7/2011
Foreclosure Abuses and “Robo-Signing”
• JP Morgan fined $5.29 billion
• Settled on 2/9/2012
More Mortgage Misrepresentation
• JP Morgan fined $269.9 million
• Settled on 11/16/2012
Improper Foreclosures Pt. 2
• JP Morgan fined $1.8 billion
• Settled in 01/2013
Electricity Trading Scandal
• JP Morgan fined $410 million
• Settled on 7/30/2013
Illegal Credit Card Practices
• JP Morgan fined $389 million
• Settled on 9/19/2013
The London Whale
• JP Morgan fined $920 million
• Settled on 9/19/2013
The Fannie and Freddie Fines
• JP Morgan fined $5.1 billion
• Settled on 10/25/2013
Institutional Mortgage Securities
• JP Morgan fined $4.5 billion
• Settled on 11/15/2013
The Big One: Misleading “Toxic Mortgages”
• JP Morgan fined $13 billion
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Libor Rigging Scandal
• JP Morgan fined $108 million
• Settled on 12/4/2013
Madoff Retribution
• JP Morgan fined $1.7 billion
• Settled on 1/6/2014
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• Settled on 11/21/2014
Just in 3 years bank paid 35208.5 mln $ in fines. Where did they get that money from? The CEO is worth now more than 1 bln and nobody investigate him and he is still CEO.
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Re: FIFA

Postby nm462272 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 9:08 pm

It's because this is a thread specifically about FIFA, not about the world's problems....
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Re: FIFA

Postby MillaMjau » Wed Jun 03, 2015 10:11 pm

Former FIFA member Chuck Blazer admits to receiving bribes [source]
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Re: FIFA

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:41 am

This morning radio show news said that besides S.Africa 2010 even France 98 was given after some bribes...
this leads to a question, Platini was the Chairman or something that time... so is he going to be involved too?
In Malta there was a controversy about Germany 2006.
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Re: FIFA

Postby Reinhart » Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:24 am

I wouldn't trust Platini with the presidency. He's considered the lesser of two evils next to Blatter. Frankly, they should do away with small nations having equal voting rights as larger and more developed nations like England and USA. Makes no sense for a territory that has 6000 people to get the same amount of money from FIFA as Germany as well as the same weight in votes.
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Re: FIFA

Postby RedQueen » Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:40 am

A dark day for Fifa after claims of arms deals for World Cup votes | Guardian [source]
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Re: FIFA

Postby tflags » Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:32 pm

Reinhart wrote:I wouldn't trust Platini with the presidency.


Yes, other than your usual power vacuum structure, you'll end up with a second off the pitch referee, four linesmen, and a first referee for each half of the pitch. None of them will be able to see correctly if the ball crossed Neuer's goal line.
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Re: FIFA

Postby Korab » Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:25 pm

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A dark day for Fifa after claims of arms deals for World Cup votes | Guardian [source]

Again, I don't understand why it is dark a day for FIFA. Obviously both governments are involved in it so the they're the problem. It shows you how governments is behind all the moves for national FA's. So it is DARK DAY but for governments and their so clean FA's. How could have FIFA prevented that deal?
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Re: FIFA

Postby RedQueen » Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:31 pm

Whether or not FIFA could have prevented that, or would have even wanted to prevent that, or whether the entire FIFA corruption swamp encourages governments or FAs to resort such methods (maybe there's literally no other option to get the World Cup to your country than to engage in whatever form of bribery) is another matter. If it turns out that more or less every host decision for the FIFA world cup for the past decades has involved legal or illegal bribery, then I consider that a dark day.
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