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Re: American members

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:52 pm

Obama outstanding ??? :roll:
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Re: American members

Postby #12 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:03 pm

His speeches? Hell yeah...

I think he's a great President... You don't have to agree, but you can't seriously think he's not one of the greatest and most talented speakers of our time?!
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Re: American members

Postby ramsej84 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:05 pm

#12 wrote:His speeches? Hell yeah...

I think he's a great President... You don't have to agree, but you can't seriously think he's not one of the greatest and most talented speakers of our time?!


I can be a speaker ... but not a good leader... / Pres... words count for nothing...
I think he failed politically .
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Re: American members

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:37 pm

Not the point though. #12 is saying he's a great speaker, and I agree a lot. His speech is persuasive, he's impressed me in that regard since 2008.
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Re: American members

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:04 am

Btw:

Cities have become safer, there's less unemployment, and the wages have gone up - what else do you expect for someone to be called a "good president"?

(And btw: Trump claims the opposite which once again proves that he has nothing to offer but lies...)
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Re: American members

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:18 am

violence... has gone down as well...
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Re: American members

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 10:48 am

It has... What you detect is a tendency towards drama in the media - the very media you criticize frequently... ;)

Overall, numbers are decreasing... Bigtime... And also farsightedness should take into account that you can't control everything: the current president hast to deal with the heirloom the last one( one of the worst in US history!) has left him... And I think you kbow that, for example, there would be no ISIS without that one?!
Politicians have to deal with the CURRENT situations and development... Judging them by other standards is not very fair at all...
And when he tries to change something he faces opposition... Even you oppose him when it comes to guns... Tell you what: that's something he didn't change ;) so don't hold him responsible if there's no positive development there... God knows he tried...
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Re: American members

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:48 am

OK maybe I am not as informed as you on the matter.
Just a small correction... the other armed Al Qaeda
and this one together with his darling Hilary armed isis

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Re: American members

Postby nm462272 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:41 pm

Obama is MUCH, MUCH better than his predecessor... although I suppose that doesn't take much. IMO he's been very successful with the economy, but has been less successful in dealing with his opposition, whether that is republicans or terrorism or whatever. i think most importantly he's kept the US fairly stable and has improved international relations in many cases. seeing what is coming... i will be sad to see him go.
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Re: American members

Postby JANKER » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:28 pm



Hillary is still crooked Hillary though.
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Re: American members

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:55 pm

NM, I think that is a fair assessment... It's always hard for a US pres to fight the opposition IMHO, especially if it's the GOP...

@ramsej:

Well, ISIS only became prominent after the US **** up in Iraq - and we know who to thank for about that, right? ;)

How do you think he/they armed them? Because they (Obama/Clinton/Bush) first supported them until they turned against them (Obama/Clinton/Bush)?
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Re: American members

Postby JANKER » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:57 pm

#12 wrote:after the US **** up in Iraq - and we know who to thank for about that, right?


Crooked Hillary? Trump was against...
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Re: American members

Postby #12 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:01 pm

None of them had a say when the thing started... Talking about 2003 here...

And Trump is still an impudent shameless liar
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Re: American members

Postby JANKER » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 pm

Sheriff David Clarke: Obama Has Led Anti-Police Sentiment [source]


Obama plagiarism scandal redux [source]
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Re: American members

Postby JANKER » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:21 pm

Is this America's dumbest criminal? Woman wanted on felony warrant is arrested as she protests against Trump in Cleveland - where FIVE THOUSAND cops are on duty [source]
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