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[2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby Lindi33 » Sun May 29, 2011 11:02 pm

Any link for highlights guys?
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 7:03 am

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AvatarX wrote:Gomez dribbled everyone including GK and managed to miss it #-o (from a difficult ankle)


Sorry, had to comment on this... what is a difficult ankle?!?!

Great game by Gomez, an excellent goal that will help him dethrone Klose, which I think he deserves now considering he scored 6 goals in his last 4 FULL matches for Germany (I'm not making these stats up). He was unlucky not to score more as well. He looked good on the dribble, fast both with and without the ball at his feet, and showed a poacher's instinct.

PS: I know you meant "angle" ;)


Yes, Gomez had a very good game and he tried hard, although in this specific point of the match he did everything great except the easy part.

6 goals in his last 4 full matches? His last goals was:

7. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 2–0 7–2 Friendly
8. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 4–0 7–2 Friendly
9. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 5–0 7–2 Friendly
10. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 7–2 7–2 Friendly
11. 5 September 2009 BayArena, Leverkusen, Germany South Africa 1–0 2–0 Friendly
12. 29 May 2010 Stadium Puskás Ferenc, Budapest, Hungary Hungary 2–0 3–0 Friendly
13. 11 August 2010 Parken Stadium, Copenhagen, Denmark Denmark 1–0 2–2 Friendly
14. 12 October 2010 Astana Arena, Astana, Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 2–0 3–0 UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying
15. 29 March 2011 Borussia-Park, Mönchengladbach, Germany Australia 1–0 1–2 Friendly
16. 29 May 2011 Rhein-Neckar-Arena, Sinsheim, Germany Uruguay 1–0 2-1 Friendly

Which ones do you mean?

P.S. Indeed I meant angle, but I was too sleepy in that time :)
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 7:07 am

Goals:

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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby MUTU » Mon May 30, 2011 7:21 am

AvatarX wrote:6 goals in his last 4 full matches? His last goals was:

7. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 2–0 7–2 Friendly
8. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 4–0 7–2 Friendly
9. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 5–0 7–2 Friendly
10. 2 June 2009 Sheikh Zayed Stadium, Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates 7–2 7–2 Friendly
11. 5 September 2009 BayArena, Leverkusen, Germany South Africa 1–0 2–0 Friendly
12. 29 May 2010 Stadium Puskás Ferenc, Budapest, Hungary Hungary 2–0 3–0 Friendly
13. 11 August 2010 Parken Stadium, Copenhagen, Denmark Denmark 1–0 2–2 Friendly
14. 12 October 2010 Astana Arena, Astana, Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 2–0 3–0 UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying
15. 29 March 2011 Borussia-Park, Mönchengladbach, Germany Australia 1–0 1–2 Friendly
16. 29 May 2011 Rhein-Neckar-Arena, Sinsheim, Germany Uruguay 1–0 2-1 Friendly

Which ones do you mean?

P.S. Indeed I meant angle, but I was too sleepy in that time :)

His last 4 full matches were against united arab emirates (4 goals), denmark (1 goal), sweden (game ended 0-0 iirc) and uruguay (1 goal). We've seen it time and time again at bayern that gomez needs to start the match and know he will play the full 90 mins and have his coach's backing to perform. When these conditions are present, he was more prolific than klose for both club and country. I guess he needs to hope klose is injured in an important match until loew realizes what he's been missing...
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 7:29 am

MUTU wrote:When these conditions are present, he was more prolific than klose for both club and country.


Agree about club, but country? Depending on a friendly against United Arab Emirates ? :)
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby MUTU » Mon May 30, 2011 7:54 am

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MUTU wrote:When these conditions are present, he was more prolific than klose for both club and country.


Agree about club, but country? Depending on a friendly against United Arab Emirates ? :)


Even if you take that out (it's unfair) you're still left with 2 goals in 3 full matches or 0.67 goals per game, which is higher than the average strike rate of 0.55 goals per game for Klose in the NT (and this is including all the matches he played against Liechtenstein, San Marino, Kazhakstan, Azerbaijan, U.A.E., Saudi Arabia etc)
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 8:49 am

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MUTU wrote:When these conditions are present, he was more prolific than klose for both club and country.


Agree about club, but country? Depending on a friendly against United Arab Emirates ? :)


Even if you take that out (it's unfair) you're still left with 2 goals in 3 full matches or 0.67 goals per game, which is higher than the average strike rate of 0.55 goals per game for Klose in the NT (and this is including all the matches he played against Liechtenstein, San Marino, Kazhakstan, Azerbaijan, U.A.E., Saudi Arabia etc)


If you are going to compare all the matches with NT, then Gomez has 0.36 goals per game (16 goals in 44 matches).

Anyway, no point in debating, Gomez had a good game but he will probably be second choice until Euro. Hopefully (for the shake of the NT), Gomez will perform good in official matches when needed.
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Mon May 30, 2011 9:13 am

Up till now Klose will almost certainly be first choice in the Euro.

But should Gomez have another great season, then things might change.
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby MUTU » Mon May 30, 2011 10:24 am

AvatarX wrote:If you are going to compare all the matches with NT, then Gomez has 0.36 goals per game (16 goals in 44 matches).


But how many of these matches were full matches or at least a starter? You need to remember that Gomez started playing for the NT at a much earlier age than Klose (when he was still a largely unfinished product i.e.) and up to now has mostly been used in matches where the Germany coach wanted to experiment (i.e. he wouldn't have a stable team and the best players feeding him).

I am convinced that if Gomez is played the full 90 mins for the important matches, he would not disappoint. After all, he hasn't in all the full 90 mins matches he played lately. 6 goals in 4 matches is no mean feat.

AvatarX wrote:Anyway, no point in debating, Gomez had a good game but he will probably be second choice until Euro. Hopefully (for the shake of the NT), Gomez will perform good in official matches when needed.


I think Gomez will be the #1 striker at Euro 2012. It's my gut feeling. And I truly hope it's because of his successful retaining of last season's form rather than Klose's loss of (NT) form.

Klose has a chance to break Gerd Mueller's record, but Gomez would then have a chance of breaking Klose's record. Gomez is 9455 days old and has 16 goals for the national team. When Klose was 9455 days old he also had 16 goals for the national team, so they're head-to-head at the moment. For the following 2 years (minus 1 month), Klose scored just 4 goals, and Gomez can easily overtake him now, temporarily at least. Of course there's no guarantee that Gomez will keep on scoring regularly.

Also, Klose scored the 16 goals in 35 matches in which he was the number one striker for the most part. Gomez scored the 16 goals in 44 matches in which he was not the number one striker. A more difficult feat, one could argue.
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 10:48 am

MUTU wrote:Klose has a chance to break Gerd Mueller's record, but Gomez would then have a chance of breaking Klose's record. Gomez is 9455 days old and has 16 goals for the national team. When Klose was 9455 days old he also had 16 goals for the national team, so they're head-to-head at the moment.



BTW Muller is 7929 days old and has 7 goals. So, he has 1526 days (more than 4 years) ahead of him to break that record. And he isn't even the main striker.
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby MUTU » Mon May 30, 2011 11:24 am

AvatarX wrote:
MUTU wrote:Klose has a chance to break Gerd Mueller's record, but Gomez would then have a chance of breaking Klose's record. Gomez is 9455 days old and has 16 goals for the national team. When Klose was 9455 days old he also had 16 goals for the national team, so they're head-to-head at the moment.



BTW Muller is 7929 days old and has 7 goals. So, he has 1526 days (more than 4 years) ahead of him to break that record. And he isn't even the main striker.


Yes, he can also become a legend, but not unless he keeps playing on the wing. It's almost impossible for a winger to break that record.

At 7929 days old, Gomez had played 1 NT game and scored, and Klose was still a carpenter (whilst playing for Kaiserslautern II).

However, the king of them all is Lukas Podolski. When he was 7929 days old, Podolski had 22 goals already!!!!
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby CroCHEF » Mon May 30, 2011 11:30 am

I never relise why Gerd play only 2 WC
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby tflags » Mon May 30, 2011 12:18 pm

Gomez Rising

Either by choice or by force, Miroslav Klose will NOT be playing for the next two Euro qualifiers. Rib bruise being the main issue. The OTHER issue would be what German press is calling a "Pale" performance. Low's first reaction to Klose: 'Over a subsequent nomination, we will consider carefully.' No matter what stats you look at, one will resound until next game against Austria: Klose on second half... 0 goals.

On the other hand I was very contento at Gomez. I thought the guy couldn't dribble. I mean most of the goals this season have been in front of goal and while his dribbles were top notch, they were less than a handful. Yesterday's match is confirming his performance against Australia (with a goal that I loved)... The guy can create chances and he CAN dribble. I could only see one outcome if he continues playing like these on both FCB and the NT front... We might be looking at the dawn of a new German chapter. A think an apt name for it would be Gomez Rising.
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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby AvatarX » Mon May 30, 2011 12:22 pm

tflags wrote:No matter what stats you look at, one will resound until next game against Austria: Klose on second half... 0 goals.


Now that you mentioned Austria, I hope Gomez does better than that:

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Re: [2011-05-29] Germany vs Uruguay

Postby Element » Mon May 30, 2011 12:40 pm

Klose got injured and will not play the next 2 matches

he got a bruise in his rips and went back to Munich with the Doctor
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