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[2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

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What is your prediction for this match?

Poll ended at Thu May 31, 2012 8:30 pm

Germany will win
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It will end in a draw
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Israel will win
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Total votes : 15

Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby quaazi » Thu May 31, 2012 11:10 pm

That's counting all his sub appearances though, most of which were way under 45 minutes.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby The Spyware » Thu May 31, 2012 11:48 pm

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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby SilentStrike » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:21 am

Anything to support that statement?
Didn't watch the game did he make massive error or something?

Or you generally hate him? :?
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby walter » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:01 am

The tactical problem was evident today: the only player on the wing who could cut inside and shoot was Lahm. Now, this was not that much of a problem in the World Cup because Germany was playing a fast counter-attacking football, so there wasn't that much need to cut inside from the wings on the break. The problem now is that the NT plays a much more possession game (much like Bayern) than before and now it's quite important to have players on each wing that can cut inside and shoot as a valid alternative, especially against defensive teams. The problem on the game was basically solved when Schuerrle came in for Podolski.

They should balance the situation between the fullbacks and wingers, ideally the winger should be someone who can cut inside whereas the fullbacks play on their natural side (like Bayern). So, for the NT it should be Schmelzer/Schuerrle on the left, Lahm/Muller on the right. Muller will be switching positions often with Ozil to have someone also on the right that can cut inside and shoot (Ozil).

Other than that, why the **** did Mertesacker have to recover from injury in time for the Euro???
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby Bayernbazi » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:10 am

My worry is that the defense wasn't tested enough.

Anyone noticed that knock Schurrle got on his foot after his goal? Hope that it's not that serious. He had it sprayed but still seemed uncomfortable with it and had a limp.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby AvatarX » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:24 am

Probably many users here won't like what I will say but I will say it anyway :) . I prefer Podolski as starter and not Schuerrle.

Schuerrle has a good goal / appearences ratio - 7 goals in 14 matches, but Podolski is not far (even in the ratio count): 43 goals in 97 apps. Also Schuerrle does not help defense much and always seem a bit selfish to score - yesterday he had 2 lost chances before he scored - while during those chances he could have passed to a better placed player. Anyway, he seems as a great sub, but for me Podolski is still more usefull as a starter.

Also something else about our defense: I know Merte is at least average, but Hummels was severe dissapointment in the last match - maybe even more than Merte as someone would expect more from him.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby quaazi » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:47 am

a) Poldi was a striker in a 4-4-2 for quite a while.

b) Schürrle does help a lot in defense, he's got a great work rate.

c) So Schürrle is selfish, but mister "LEFT FOOT MEANS SHOOT" isn't?
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby AvatarX » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:14 am

quaazi wrote:a) Poldi was a striker in a 4-4-2 for quite a while.

b) Schürrle does help a lot in defense, he's got a great work rate.

c) So Schürrle is selfish, but mister "LEFT FOOT MEANS SHOOT" isn't?


a) Agreed, although it was long time ago we used 4-4-2 ...
b) In general, yes, he's got a good work rate (Not Muller level though). But with NT he doesn't help the defense much (at least not as much as Podolski).
c) I just pointed out what I saw yesterday. From the moment Schuerrle came in all 3 times he got the ball, he tried to shoot. He scored with his third attempt (which is not bad), but in the first 2 there were better options.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby BayernLeb » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:35 am

I really wanted to see this tried in this game :( :

Lahm-Badstuber- Boetang/Howedes - Schmezler
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Muller/Reus - Ozil - Podolski/Schuerrle
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby quaazi » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:36 pm

Psst, Holger is a left-sided central defender.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby BayernLeb » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:00 pm

quaazi wrote:Psst, Holger is a left-sided central defender.


Well you got my idea.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby AvatarX » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:38 pm

BTW we looked more compact with 4-2-3-1 than with 4-1-4-1, even with Merte as CB.
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Re: [2012-05-31] Germany vs Israel

Postby frankiecam13 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:28 am

is it just me or does any one else think that a holland or portugal attack will tear our defence to shreads were just to slow to react israel had at least 2 good chances i dont think the dutch will miss them oppotunities and kroos passing was terrible i fear for us getting out the group i hope im wrong
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