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General German football thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Tue Nov 19, 2013 6:40 pm

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Re: General German football thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:45 pm

While I completely disagree with the conclusion that a European Super League is necessary and that there is no way these clubs can compete (if Dortmund could do it and win CL money for themselves, so can other clubs, and we've seen this around Europe recently), this article has some good analysis, namely the point gap and the fact that Dortmund are just as capable of poaching talent as we are.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby pyrasur » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:30 am

Who do you all prefer to get Germany's fourth Champion's League spot? Rafael Honigstein has an interesting article on the race for fourth which I admit didn't realize was quite so tight.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:33 am

Gladbach for me, but I think Wolfsburg will get it.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:34 am

I'll go for WFL Wolfsburg
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Element » Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:40 am

Mönchengladbach is my choice
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Ruht » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:08 am

I want Gladbach to get it but Wolfsburg's remaining matches are much more easier. Gladbach has a very tough schedule which ends with a visit to Wolfsburg and I don't see them getting 4th. Let's not forget Leverkusen still might stay at 4th, hopefully not though.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby runaway » Thu Apr 17, 2014 10:17 am

It's really interesting that so many unexpected clubs show up in the top table every season recently. But yes I agree with Honigstein, a bit of stability won't hurt the league. I have enough of Neverkusen in Europe let Wolfsburg try it out. Gladbach though is a much more exciting prospect, with a better coach than Schalke and Neverkusen but they are going to lose some key players, who knows if only Ter Stegen would leave next summer.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Borusse » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:34 pm

I think I want Wolfsburg because they have plenty of money and great perspectives. Gladbach also wouldnt be bad, I want Leverkusen to play in Europa League. :P
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Element » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:56 pm

The Entire German Population is astonished by Tim Wiese's Body

A Private picture of him landed on twitter revealing the monster body of Tim Wiese

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Wiese Commented on this that picture in from February and he does not know how it made it to the internet, and that now he is even "broader" than this picture

at the time of when this photo was taken , Wiese was 193cm long with a weight of 118 KG !!


This is Tim Wiese Now

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Re: General German football thread

Postby JJJ » Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:02 pm

NO WAY! :D With Hoffenheim's money. :lol:
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Re: General German football thread

Postby Burko » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:39 pm

Tim "Hulk" Wiese :D
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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:50 pm

Did he stopped football and started a steroid course ?
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Re: General German football thread

Postby runaway » Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:56 pm

This conversation was in BVB thread and it'll be further off topic so I've posted my reply here. :D

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runaway wrote:If we look at it, it's not the "competitiveness" but the marketing that gives tv money boost. PL is the most hyped league.

Competitive? From 2000-2014 season, only 9 teams have made it to top 4. Bundeliga, 11 teams. La liga 14 teams.

I was curious about Bundesliga's constant change in the table the other day and compiled them in a table. I'll try and write a more detailed post some other time but here are my initial observations:

> Bundesliga teams slowly climb their way to the top. Challenging Bayern for the title is the hardest feat. But the playing field is level and there isn't a huge gap between teams thus we have seen that in 14 years, there have been 5 champions, 6 teams in 2nd place, 7 teams in 3rd place, 8 teams in 4th place. 7 teams who were not previous champions were able to finish in Top 4.

> PL, there is a clear ceiling in Top 4. In 14 years, only Chelsea and City were able to climb the table and win the title. They have 4 champions, 5 teams in 2nd place, 5 teams in 3rd place, and 7 teams in 4th place. 5 teams who were not previous champions were able to finish in Top 4.

> La Liga is in a rollercoaster. One of the reasons their duopoly persists, is because of the inconsistency of those set to challenge their reign. Valencia and Atletico Madrid, two teams who were able to break the duopoly has never finished 2nd or 3rd. Deportivo, Villareal, and Sociedad had finished 2nd but are now in mid-table as well as other previous teams who have finished Top 4 like Malaga, Osasuna, Betis, Bilbao. They ran out of fuel after making their way to the top and their decline persists for several seasons. In 14 years, they have 4 champions, 5 teams in 2nd place, 7 teams in 3rd place, and 12 teams in 4th place. Apart from the 4 teams that won the title, there have been 10 teams in the top 4; 5 of which have not finished higher than 4th.

P.S Remember data I've used were starting from season 2000-2001 to season 2013-2014.

Well sure, the PL also was extremely well marketed and understood the importance of the Asian market at a time when the others were laughing about it.

In their golden era, post-2003, they have been even less competitive I'd say with only 7 teams making it to the top4, the usual ones and Everton (once), Tottenham (once) and now City. But unlike the BuLi, competition for the top spot has always been extremely fierce. Only once did ManU run away with the title, it's usually gone down to the wire. They are also helped by a more equal distribution of TV money that helps all teams, just like the BuLi is trying to do but which is completely the opposite of La Liga and until recently Serie A.

So I'd say that while there isn't as much of a turnover at the top of the league in England as there is Germany, the teams that have been on the top have consistently challenged each other. While that is bad news for likes of Newcastle and Aston Villa, it's made for a great show for fans following the league. Whereas it's great for the likes of Stuttgart and Hertha fans to believe that they can easily climb to the top if they make a few good decisions, most fans abroad will not care much about seeing constantly new teams rising and falling without ever becoming a team worth following in the long run.

There isn't a gulf of difference in competitiveness of the leagues in PL, La Liga, and Bundesliga if we brought it down to numbers. Only in season 2012 and 2013 has Bayern ran away with it's league.

From season 2000-2014, let's average the point difference of the 1st to 2nd and 1st to 3rd.

Average Point difference of 1st place and 2nd place over 13 seasons:
Bundesliga: (1+1+16+6+14+5+2+10+2+5+7+8+25+19)/14 = 8.64
PL: (10+7+5+11+12+8+6+2+4+1+9+0+11+2)/14 = 6.29
La Liga: (7+7+2+5+4+12+0+8+9+3+4+9+15+3)/14 = 6.29

As we can see, there's only 2 points difference. Bayern's runaway in 2013 that continued in 2014 drove the average. If we take out those two seasons, the averages will be 5.5, 5.36, and 5, respectively. Very little difference. What does it tell us? The level of competition over 13 season between the leagues have been somewhat equal of course some seasons have been fiercer than others.

2nd to 3rd average point difference over 13 seasons:
Bundesliga: (4+1+1+3+4+2+2+2+3+4+3+9+1+7)/14 = 3.29
PL: (1+3+9+5+6+1+15+2+3+10+0+19+3+2)/14 = 5.64
La Liga: (2+2+4+1+15+1+5+10+8+25+21+30+9+0)/14 = 9.5

1st to 3rd average point difference over 13 seasons:
Bundesliga: (5+2+17+9+18+7+4+12+5+9+20+17+26+26)/14 = 12.64
PL: (11+10+14+15+18+9+21+4+7+11+9+19+14+4)/14 = 11.86
La Liga: (9+9+6+6+19+13+5+18+17+28+25+39+24+0)/14 = 15.57

Winning the title brings the silverware but 2nd-4th is not meaningless. Like last season in Bundesliga, as Bayern ran away with the title, the real battle was happening below it. Only La Liga has a high average in both situations because both Real Madrid and Barcelona reached the 100th point mark.

This method of evaluating competitiveness isn't foolproof. I'm just trying to show that maybe if we look at it objectively, all 3 leagues doesn't have that much difference in terms of competitiveness. PL just markets their league better. Before they tried and hyped it as the most competitive league, now they just hypes it as the most exciting league. Chelsea has higher points than Bayern in their league and this is how the media is writing about it: Chelsea invincible: Mou can one-up Wenger again... (Insert former footballer here) slams Mourinho's invincible claim... Meanwhile this is how media will write if Bayern wins the league without any losses: Bayern ruined Bundesliga... Buyern's horse wins the league by miles by buying it's rival's legs... Boring: Bayern won it...again! They would rather see Bayern lose everything immediately after winning everything. :lol:

Bayern won the treble in 2012, it should not have been a surprise that they won it again the same fashion the following year. If they didn't then in 2013, it would have been regarded as a miracle or a lucky strike like Inter's treble. Barcelona's dominant year under Guardiola won them 3 titles out of 4. All of which, Real Madrid was able to keep up on points but there was a large difference between Barca and the 3rd place team in those seasons.

Monopoly, Duopoly, Oligopoly, all three still far from a perfect competition. :wink:
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Re: General German football thread

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:46 pm

I realize this post is a few days old but...

runaway wrote:Bayern won the treble in 2012


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