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Re: General German football thread

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Re: General German football thread

Postby America USA » Mon Aug 14, 2017 1:50 pm

Thought the female referee did a decent job in that Chemnitzer Cup game. Didn't got involved too much, let the game flow, the game was mostly card free and she was largely invisible, good signs for a referee.

Will be interesting how she manages a really high intensity game like Schalke-Dortmund or Bayern-Dortmund.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby FCB12Forever » Fri Sep 08, 2017 4:46 am

America USA wrote:Thought the female referee did a decent job in that Chemnitzer Cup game. Didn't got involved too much, let the game flow, the game was mostly card free and she was largely invisible, good signs for a referee.

Will be interesting how she manages a really high intensity game like Schalke-Dortmund or Bayern-Dortmund.


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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:30 am

FCB12Forever wrote:
America USA wrote:Thought the female referee did a decent job in that Chemnitzer Cup game. Didn't got involved too much, let the game flow, the game was mostly card free and she was largely invisible, good signs for a referee.

Will be interesting how she manages a really high intensity game like Schalke-Dortmund or Bayern-Dortmund.


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She will be refereeing Hertha vs Bremen.
Yes. First time in history.
How many of you knew that her boyfriend is that prick of Howard Webb?

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Re: General German football thread

Postby MUTU » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:55 am

Seriously?! The ref I least like.
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Re: General German football thread

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Re: General German football thread

Postby ramsej84 » Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:33 pm

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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sun Sep 17, 2017 6:50 pm

So... Do people still think we will best this Dortmund team in the table?
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Re: General German football thread

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Re: General German football thread

Postby RedQueen » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:29 pm

Bit surprised that this hasn't been addressed here yet nor really made it to the English media: We seem to have a big problem with the referee system in Germany. Part of it is outlined in this article:

VAR, secret instructions and gagging orders: the Bundesliga's refereeing controversy | Deutsche Welle

What this article doesn't yet cover is that Hellmut Krug, who has been dismissed as the chief of the field refs as a result of the accusations of favoritism in ref appointments and mobbing but is still in charge of the VAR project, has now been accused of overturning VAR decisions in his function as a VAR supervisor in favor of his home club Schalke. VAR supervisors aren't allowed to overturn VAR decisions, nor can referees be appointed to officiate a game of their home club when it comes to field refs.

Krug denies the allegations, but Bild, who broke the story, says that VAR officials have told them this (Krug overturning VAR decisions) has been going on for months. What makes the situation worse is that it's Krug himself as the chief of the VAR project who gets to decide which ref is put in charge of VAR supervision in what games, so Krug is basically appointing himself, without there apparently being an authority to control his work as a supervisor.
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Re: General German football thread

Postby YlonenXabi » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:12 pm

#12 wrote:So... Do people still think we will best this Dortmund team in the table?


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Re: General German football thread

Postby #12 » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:57 pm



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Re: General German football thread

Postby MUTU » Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:59 am

RedQueen wrote:Bit surprised that this hasn't been addressed here yet nor really made it to the English media: We seem to have a big problem with the referee system in Germany. Part of it is outlined in this article:

VAR, secret instructions and gagging orders: the Bundesliga's refereeing controversy | Deutsche Welle

What this article doesn't yet cover is that Hellmut Krug, who has been dismissed as the chief of the field refs as a result of the accusations of favoritism in ref appointments and mobbing but is still in charge of the VAR project, has now been accused of overturning VAR decisions in his function as a VAR supervisor in favor of his home club Schalke. VAR supervisors aren't allowed to overturn VAR decisions, nor can referees be appointed to officiate a game of their home club when it comes to field refs.

Krug denies the allegations, but Bild, who broke the story, says that VAR officials have told them this (Krug overturning VAR decisions) has been going on for months. What makes the situation worse is that it's Krug himself as the chief of the VAR project who gets to decide which ref is put in charge of VAR supervision in what games, so Krug is basically appointing himself, without there apparently being an authority to control his work as a supervisor.
These are some pretty serious allegations. Not only against the individual but against the protocol too: why should an individual be allowed to overrule a team decision?
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Re: General German football thread

Postby PunkCapitalist » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:51 pm

RedQueen wrote:Bit surprised that this hasn't been addressed here yet nor really made it to the English media: We seem to have a big problem with the referee system in Germany. Part of it is outlined in this article:

VAR, secret instructions and gagging orders: the Bundesliga's refereeing controversy | Deutsche Welle

What this article doesn't yet cover is that Hellmut Krug, who has been dismissed as the chief of the field refs as a result of the accusations of favoritism in ref appointments and mobbing but is still in charge of the VAR project, has now been accused of overturning VAR decisions in his function as a VAR supervisor in favor of his home club Schalke. VAR supervisors aren't allowed to overturn VAR decisions, nor can referees be appointed to officiate a game of their home club when it comes to field refs.

Krug denies the allegations, but Bild, who broke the story, says that VAR officials have told them this (Krug overturning VAR decisions) has been going on for months. What makes the situation worse is that it's Krug himself as the chief of the VAR project who gets to decide which ref is put in charge of VAR supervision in what games, so Krug is basically appointing himself, without there apparently being an authority to control his work as a supervisor.
Wut? This sounds extremely un-german :') almost something I would expect from southamerican or Italian football :')

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Re: General German football thread

Postby RedQueen » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:05 pm

I think it's quite disturbing, and it doesn't help how the DFB treats Manuel Gräfe. If you silence every critic with a gag order, remove him from the VAR team and threaten to take away his license, there won't be many critics left.

This is a case of nobody watching the watchmen. The way it looks these guys are totally at Krug's mercy who has far too much power and is protected by the DFB. The best example is Zwayer who shouldn't even be a ref given his involvement in the Hoyzer scandal and admission to having taken bribes, and yet he has risen to FIFA elite referee under the protection of Krug and Zandel.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but I can't help wondering whether there's a system behind these latest happenings. First he changes the rules of the VAR system to give the VAR more power to overrule the field refs, now there are allegations that the VAR supervisor is overruling VAR decisions. This ends up with the VAR supervisor being the be-all and end-all in all parallel games, way more power and way more room for manipulation than a field ref ever had - especially since nobody knows what's going on in that darkroom in Cologne, and the refs being threatened with gag orders.

The DFB is looking more and more like FIFA, and I think the DFL has to do something about it. There has to be an independent person who controls the VAR systems and who refs can turn to with complaints.
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