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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby FCB general » Sat Dec 20, 2014 7:38 pm

FCBayernMunchen wrote:A loss against Bremen of all teams proves that their position in the table is no accident. While a few weeks ago I agreed with YlonenXabi that their position is not as bad as it seems, the alarm bells should be ringing now, seeing as they only managed 1 point from those three remaining games.

Yes, that was true. Some 3 weeks ago, that 2nd and 3rd position weren't that far from Dortmund even they had been the last Bundesliga team. However, this has been repeating all over again and now they can forget direct CL spots, but in my humble opinion they can forget the last CL spot - completely!

It's so sad to see this when they actually invested a lot of money in interesting players, but striker position is something what they definitely can't cover with both Ramos and Immobile no matter how good players they are.
Then comes the bad luck when you miss your chances and for that you get well-known unwritten rule where you end as a punished.

The only thing which still can hold them in game for the 4th place is a replay of winter/spring 2012 in season full records (2011-2012), but that's impossible.

The only team which did something similar was Barcelona back in 2003/2004 when Ronaldinho and crew had announced future domination(and magic football) and where Real lost their title in the last 5-6 matches which they lost and ended at 4th place behind champion Valencia, Barcelona and Deportivo.

Personally, in crazy league such as Bundesliga where you have seen some silly results and defeats of Gladbach, Dortmund, a draw of Leverkusen and stupid Schalke, Stuttgart vs. Paderborn - the chances to repeat Barcelona's fantastic presentation in 2004 - no fúcking way!

The only thing which Dortmund have to chase is the 6th place - unfortunately for the Bundesliga.

The damage might become bigger if Wolfsburg really ends the season as the 2nd team behind Bayern and where you must expect new, bigger investments for the next season. :? :roll:

Just to add something on the last sentence... Someone always must fúck up things in Bundesliga and that's why this league cannot move one level up.
It's either Wolfsburg back in 2009 or Dortmund now or stupid Heldt with a guy like Jens Keller. :x
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby The Spyware » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:30 am

Their main problem of course is Klopp's approach to the game
Klopp must know that their defenders are very very bad as individuals ; Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Ginter + Weidenfeller and Langerak are all very very mediocre now
And so every attack on the is dangerous
And the main problem here that Klopp leaves them very vulnerable and the team doesn't defend well at all as a team, no pressure, no appropriate zone defense, so every attack on them reach the back line which is a joke itself and always do mistakes


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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby The Spyware » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:32 am

Klopp approach must be on a balanced tight game
As the one against monchengladbach
The team must be very strong denfensively and they have the individuals that can make the match 1-0 but the main problem is that they shouldn't concede
It's a story that happens EVERY match, it's unbelievable


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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby The Spyware » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:34 am

Remember Lucian Favre when he took charge of Monchengladbach in January 3 years ago and they were like having 8 points after the first round
He worked intensively on the team defense and produced a very compact team that was able to win a lot of matches on the second round by 1-0 including Dortmund who where the champions then and he managed to make a miracle and stay


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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby The Spyware » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:36 am

How can you trust a backline formed of Hummels, Ginter, Subotic and Schmelzer
It's a joke
These players now are so so bad and it's very obvious



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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby RedQueen » Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:23 pm

Dortmund's defense wasn't so bad last season, and Hummels wasn't that bad in the World Cup. It's not like they've changed their entire backline. According to a Sky poll yesterday 20 percent of the viewers still think the Bayern transfers are the main problem, i.e. losing Lewandowski. It's unbelievable, do these people ever watch Dortmund play? How was Lewandowski responsible for their backline?

Am I the only one who can't shake the feeling that this team has an attitude problem? It's always the minnows and the supposedly weaker teams against whom they put in those abysmal performances. They are a lot better against Bayern and Wolfsburg and Gladbach and in the Champions League. I realize it's easier for them because those teams don't sit deep and BVB doesn't have to play-make . But against weaker teams they often play as if they just don't care. Rivals or not, I used to enjoy watching Dortmund play, but at this point they're just unwatchable. There's nothing left of what made this team's game attractive. It's almost like it's them who still have the world cup hangover, although except for Hummels their Brazil travelers mostly sat on the bench (if even that). Feeling like world champions and doing quite well in the CL seems to keep them from realizing how bad their domestic situation really is.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby FCB general » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:03 pm

@Spyware, good to hear you after longer period(at least for me who hasn't seen you a while :wink: )

I completely agree with you!

The Spyware wrote:The team must be very strong denfensively and they have the individuals that can make the match 1-0 but the main problem is that they shouldn't concede

This! As I said many times. You can play and end a match without scoring goal, but it's most important not to concede.

It's actually very simple, old school(mostly Italian) football phrase: "I play not to concede a single goal on this match and regarding the attack, I'll figure out something and one will come in sooner or later."

This is what I said on Croatian forum, Dortmund must stabilize the defence, play in the first line not to concede in the entire match and then when they have a ball mix up something.

I mean, they're struggling 100% in offense and the last line has been looking silly for the whole season. :roll:
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby MatZam » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:14 pm

RedQueen wrote:Am I the only one who can't shake the feeling that this team has an attitude problem? It's always the minnows and the supposedly weaker teams against whom they put in those abysmal performances. They are a lot better against Bayern and Wolfsburg and Gladbach and in the Champions League. I realize it's easier for them because those teams don't sit deep and BVB doesn't have to play-make . But against weaker teams they often play as if they just don't care. Rivals or not, I used to enjoy watching Dortmund play, but at this point they're just unwatchable. There's nothing left of what made this team's game attractive. It's almost like it's them who still have the world cup hangover, although except for Hummels their Brazil travelers mostly sat on the bench (if even that). Feeling like world champions and doing quite well in the CL seems to keep them from realizing how bad their domestic situation really is.


I think it has a lot to do with their so called 'underdog' image. They seem to have become proud of that tag (in my perception) after their initial successes, which when you think about it, is a bit weird. Who wants to be thought of as the underdog (except in warm, fuzzy movies) rather than being the top dog?

Even when we were struggling in Europe we still portrayed ourselves as one of the giants of Europe, although we never got to the semis of the CL in a number of years. Dortmund seem the opposite of this, and it is perhaps one of the reasons that they play well against the big teams yet fail against the small ones.

For their own sake, they need to shed that underdog image and start competing seriously again. You don't get foreign fans and good players by proclaiming that your ambition is second place. You get them by saying you want to be in first place, even if that is unrealistic at the time.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby RedQueen » Sun Dec 21, 2014 1:39 pm

MatZam wrote:I think it has a lot to do with their so called 'underdog' image. They seem to have become sproud of that tag (in my perception) after their initial successes, which when you think about it, is a bit weird. Who wants to be thought of as the underdog (except in warm, fuzzy movies) rather than being the top dog?
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For their own sake, they need to shed that underdog image and start competing seriously again. You don't get foreign fans and good players by proclaiming that your ambition is second place. You get them by saying you want to be in first place, even if that is unrealistic at the time.

That's a German regional thing having to do with economics. The Ruhrpott, at least as West Germany is concerned, is still considered as the worker's area and economy-wise, Northrhine Westfalia is one of economic underdogs in Germany, high unemployment, high public debt, large low pay labor market and all that comes with it. Bayern, by contrast, is one of the richest states with very low unemployment and high income, and Munich is perceived as a rather glamorous metropole. BVB's underdog image is a result of that constellation (same goes for Schalke); by selling them and cultivating the underdog image they created that special bond with those working class fans. It also attracted the hipsters who bought into it. It's kind of funny given BVB's actual budgeta and BVB being the only club in Germany that is listed on the stock exchange. Anyway, trying to get rid of that image would be almost like giving up a brand. It's a difficult situation because on the other hand, you can't claim to be a top club and an underdog at the same time.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby JANCKER » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:47 pm

BVB in Europe didn't have that strong of a group... I think that the league is the real indicator of their situation, I believe that they'll find out that against Juve.
A change is needed, they gotta start thinking about survival rather than spots that lead in Europe, that's their reality and they can't ignore that.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Burko » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:28 pm

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I dont know but, quiet useless transfer.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby runaway » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:49 pm

Not really. He can be their new Reus in the long run. Their toothless attack just even became toothless when Reus got injured. Then there's Mkhitaryan's injury. Auba and Reus are the few positive things for BVB so far. A typical Klopp buy, someone under the radar but shown flashes of brilliance.

He was one of the standouts when we played against them.
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Burko » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:55 pm

runaway wrote:Not really. He can be their new Reus in the long run. Their toothless attack just even became toothless when Reus got injured. Then there's Mkhitaryan's injury. Auba and Reus are the few positive things for BVB so far. A typical Klopp buy, someone under the radar but shown flashes of brilliance.

He was one of the standouts when we played against them.


Yes why not but I think they should fix their defense rather than attack.
Or, this is replacement for leaving Reus. (?)
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Re: Borussia Dortmund

Postby Ottomeister13 » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:24 pm

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Re: Borussia Dortmund

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