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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:21 am

ramsej84 wrote:No German authorities hide facts...
For example when they say that the guy was mentally ill (ok they won't be that wrong cause to do such acts one has to be mentally ill)...

I won't go into whether they hide facts or not because I'm not familiar enough with the situation but in your example, on what basis do you actually claim that the culprit was not mentally ill?

It's so easy to just say "eh it's just a cover up" without any basis and it's very worrying in today's society.

EDIT: what RedQueen described is more what I would consider legitimate concerns about hiding information. The mentally ill example just sounds like the crazy ramblings of a conspiracy theorist tbh
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:26 am

He who does such things is mentally ill (like Bervik in Norway) but he is a terrorist as well, no?

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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby FCBayernMunchen » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:29 am

It depends. To me it certainly is a terrorist attack because I define that as a public action intended to hurt multiple innocent and unaware people. But terrorism is often defined as a violent act motivated by politics or ideology, in which case actions resulting from a mental illness probably aren't classified as terrorism. Justice should still be served though, obviously
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:32 am

No... They're not... I'll get to that later...
First, tell me this, Sherlock, since you mentioned (and I'm gonna skip the blow regarding my profession here...) critical thinking: cui bono? And when you're done with that, tell me why a message of SUCCESS - cause that's what it is - would be kept a secret, when hundreds of others aren't? People are well aware that there's potential danger... They were before and they still are... Matches are still being played, and I'm kind of with ramsej on this one: if this were REALLY serious, I doubt the game, any game, would be played today...
But that's not even the point! The point is someone compared it to North Korea, and you're backing it with THIS? North Korea is abusing, exploiting and willfully deceiving its citizens all the time, establishing an authoritarian society where the individual means nothing, where there's no freedom of press, speech or even opinion - you still wanna know why I claim you left the center or will that do as an explanation?
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby OhioFan » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:41 pm

I am so happy I started this thread, NOT.
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby tflags » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:51 pm

#12 and RedQeen, cool it off please. We are quite stressed as it is. Hell, I just saw MUTU scouting the clinic; not kidding.

WOuld you mind putting your difference apart until things are settled? If you want to make an argument, just say so without the appelatives please; having read what you both wrote everyone's got a point alright.
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:17 pm

Police have arrested a suspect, think it was an islamistic attack...

The "Antifa-Letter" is kind of a parody on gender mainstreaming, it sounds like a false trail to me...
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:41 pm

I hope that it was the antifa ... cause things as i said earlier will go nastier if it has been otherwise.

I keep on thinking that it was not ISIS cause otherwise I am sure that the bus would have been destroyed with everyone inside.

maybe it was luck ...
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby JANCKER » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:45 pm

I thought that it was a far right group of 50 ultras who terrorize everyone in Dortmund because they're at war with Watzke... :roll: ANTIFA? :shock:

North Korea it is...
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby harry-muc » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:59 pm

JANCKER wrote:I thought that it was a far right group of 50 ultras who terrorize everyone in Dortmund because they're at war with Watzke... :roll: ANTIFA? :shock:


that was just my guess and it seems i was wrong. shame on me. but didnt really look like a "normal" terrorist attack, the bombs didnt made that much impact and a LETTER was found on the scene. seemed to me, the attack was just a threatening. but nonetheless this group exists and the the rest of what i wrote is a fact. i for one can differ my opinion. :wink:
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:01 pm

Oh come on! What do you expect? To get every peace of information in big chunks within seconds? This stuff takes time, there's copycats and freeloaders, false information, false claims, and somebody has to sort it all out... And your only idea is "North Korea"? If that's true you should seriously question your cognitive abilities... Hope you're not paid by the hour... Cause I'm sure you're done with your work, whatever it is, in seconds, too!?
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby JANCKER » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:08 pm

#12 wrote:Hope you're not paid by the hour.


No and I don't want to... I cannot be owned. :P
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:27 pm

But you gotta admit there's a difference between skepticism and what you did? I mean come on Jancker, you know they have to check every piece of possible evidence...?! And that takes time... They don't seem to be hiding or lying about anything so far...

As I said, the letter is so grotesque they all have severe doubts about it being legit... Probably some right winger doing just that: copycatting...

Interestingly though, the usual suspects "reported" about it right away (no pun intended ) - makes you wonder who they think is the bigger threat...

Meanwhile, Dortmund were supposedly extremely lucky (very tempting to post a joke here...) ... The explosives contained nails and sharp metallic objects, one of which was stuck in a headrest...
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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby ramsej84 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:21 pm

If it contained nails I think IS it is...
Far Right won't attack suck targets ...


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Re: Bomb blast reported by BvB bus, Bartra injured

Postby #12 » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:23 pm

Nah, I didn't mean or suggest that!

Just that they were taking that letter to be legit...
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